The Fossil Record God Left For Us, Not to Darwinists

[Enoch2021]

20 hours ago, HAZARD said:

1.  When we look out at the stars through giant telescopes we discover that many of the far distant galaxies are millions, if not billions, of light years away.

2.  Admittedly, there is no disputing the scientific evidence for this.

1.  So YOU have seen these 'stars' in 'giant telescopes'? 

How do you know these ALLEGED 'far distant galaxies' are millions/billions of light years away...?

'Light Years' is not a measure of "Time", it's one of "Distance". 

For you to be able to ascertain the "Time" component, you MUST KNOW the "One-Way" Speed of Light. Unfortunately, you can never know that because it's a Begging The Question Fallacy...In TOTO, resulting from the inability to Synchronize 2 'clocks' by some distance. 

Einstein made the same conclusion...“It would thus appear as though we were moving here in a logical circle.”
A. Einstein, Relativity: The Special and General Theory, authorized translation by R. W. Lawson (New York: Crown Publishers, 1961), pp. 22–23.

Moreover, regarding the "One Way" Speed of Light, Einstein concluded....“That light requires THE SAME TIME to traverse the path A-M as for the path B-M is in reality neither a supposition nor a hypothesis about the physical nature of light, but a stipulation which I can make of my own freewill in order to arrive at a definition of simultaneity.” {Emphasis Mine}
A. Einstein, Relativity: The Special and General Theory, authorized translation by R. W. Lawson (New York: Crown Publishers, 1961), p. 23.

Ergo...the speed of light (average "Two-Way Speed) is merely a 'Convention' that we've agreed upon.

More strikingly, according to Quantum Mechanics (REAL "Science")... Independent of Knowledge/Existence of 'which-path' Information, Photons (including ...Elementary Particles/Atoms/Molecules) have no defined properties or location. They exist in a state of a Wave Function which is a series of Potentialities rather than actual objects. That is, Matter/Photons don't exist as a Wave of Energy prior to observation but as a Wave of Potentialities. 

“It begins to look as we ourselves, by our last minute decision, have an influence on what a photon will do when it has already accomplished most of its doing… we have to say that we ourselves have an undeniable part in what we have always called the past. The past is not really the past until is has been registered. Or to put it another way, the past has no meaning or existence unless it exists as a record in the present.”
Prof. John Wheeler "Referenced in"; The Ghost In The Atom; Page 66-68.

Ergo, unless you can explicitly identify "a Knower" @ the source of this Light (Photons) from these 'stars'....who also "observed" it's entire 'path', AND the "observer" who first identified it here on Earth and recorded it (Date and Time stamped) THEN, you're gonna have to provide....

The Speed for a Wave of Potentialities !!   Go ahead...?

 

2.  Scientific Evidence??   Scientific Evidence of WHAT, pray tell?

 

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There is absolutely no need to get all excited and try to explain away the evidence

Evidence of WHAT ??  Then, let's hear your 'Evidence'...?

If it's 'Scientific Evidence', then please Identify the BOLDED parts:

The Scientific Method:

 

Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon...?
Step 2: Lit Review
Step 3: Hypothesis...?
Step 4: TEST/EXPERIMENT...?
Step 5: Analyze Data
Step 6: Valid/Invalid Hypothesis...?
Step 7: Report Results

 

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the evidence in the stars.

In them??  What on Earth...what is this evidence IN your "Alleged" stars??  

What are 'stars' ??  How do they work...?

Are you saying the 'Lights' in the skies (that are colloquially classified as 'stars') are like our SUN??

Did God ever explicitly (or implicitly) Identify 'The SUN' as a Star OR the 'stars' as the "SUN/SUN-Like" ??  If so, please post the Scripture(s)...?

 

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“this is simply the way God created the universe that it should merely look like it is millions and billions of years old.”

How does something 'look' millions/billions of years old...? 

Do you understand the difference between "Scientific Evidence" and merely 'looking' @ something -- then making up a Fairytale Story that comports with your 'LOOKINGS' and Dream State narrative?

Please show us, using The Scientific Method --- Errr "SCIENCE", How you DATE things...?

Do you even know what Actual "SCIENCE" is ??  If so, can you please give us YOUR take...? 

 

regards

 

[HAZARD]

Enoch wrote;

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1.  So YOU have seen these 'stars' in 'giant telescopes'? 

How do you know these ALLEGED 'far distant galaxies' are millions/billions of light years away...?

'Light Years' is not a measure of "Time", it's one of "Distance". "

1. Yes I have.

"In the beginning God created the HEAVEN and the Earth. The HEAVEN included all the stars and galaxies.

A Light year is the time it takes light to travel from its source to its final destination at a speed of 186 thousand miles per second. Science and the Bible do not disagree.

The sun is approximately 150 million km or 93 million miles away, a distance that is known as the "astronomical unit" (AU). Venus, our closest neighbor, is 0.72 AU from the sun, while Mars is 1.52 AU from the sun. Neptune, the most distant planet, is 30 AU from the sun (i.e., 44.8 billion km or 27.9 billion miles). The Voyager 2 spacecraft, launched in 1977, reached Jupiter just two years later, but did not reach Neptune until 1989.

The nearest stars, the triplet Alpha Centauri A, Alpha Centauri B and Proxima Centauri, are roughly 1000 times more distant, approximately 40.7 trillion km (25.3 trillion mi). Such huge distances are often given in terms of light-years, namely the distance that light travels in a Julian year of 365.25 days (9.461 trillion km or 5.879 trillion mi). Thus the Alpha/Proxima Centauri star system is roughly 4.3 light-years away. The Milky Way galaxy consists of some 300 billion stars in a spiral-shaped conglomerate roughly 100,000 light-years across.

The nearest spiral galaxy is the Andromeda Galaxy, which can be seen with many home telescopes. It is roughly 2.54 million light-years away. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. As of the present date, the most distant observed galaxy is some 13.2 billion light-years away, which is more than 5000 times more distant than the Andromeda Galaxy. The age of the universe itself is currently estimated to be 13.75 billion years (plus or minus 0.011 billion years), so this galaxy must have formed soon after the big bang. An interesting online tool, which one can use to determine first-hand the age of the universe from known data, is available at [WMAP2009].

The scope of the universe is perhaps best illustrated by an example given by Australian astrophysicist Geraint Lewis. He noted that if the entire Milky Way galaxy is represented by a small coin, roughly one cm across, then the Andromeda galaxy would be another small coin roughly 25 cm (10 in) away. The observable universe would then extend for 5 km (3 mi) in every direction, encompassing some 300 billion galaxies (and roughly 3 x 10²² individual stars). And yet most of the universe is empty space!

More here:

http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/physics/distance.php

 

[Enoch2021]

 

Enoch: So YOU have seen these 'stars' in 'giant telescopes'? 

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Yes I have.

Post pics...?

 

Enoch: How do you know these ALLEGED 'far distant galaxies' are millions/billions of light years away...?

Hazard:  "In the beginning God created the HEAVEN and the Earth. The HEAVEN included all the stars and galaxies.

  Were you reading a different post then answered here??  And, Please post the Scripture that refers to 'galaxies'...?

 

Enoch:  'Light Years' is not a measure of "Time", it's one of "Distance". "

Hazard:  A Light year is the time it takes light to travel from its source to its final destination at a speed of 186 thousand miles per second. Science and the Bible do not disagree.

Sure, and AGAIN...

 

'Light Years' is not a measure of "Time", it's one of "Distance". 

For you to be able to ascertain the "Time" component, you MUST KNOW the "One-Way" Speed of Light. Unfortunately, you can never know that because it's a Begging The Question Fallacy...In TOTO, resulting from the inability to Synchronize 2 'clocks' by some distance. 

Einstein made the same conclusion...“It would thus appear as though we were moving here in a logical circle.”
A. Einstein, Relativity: The Special and General Theory, authorized translation by R. W. Lawson (New York: Crown Publishers, 1961), pp. 22–23.

Moreover, regarding the "One Way" Speed of Light, Einstein concluded....“That light requires THE SAME TIME to traverse the path A-M as for the path B-M is in reality neither a supposition nor a hypothesis about the physical nature of light, but a stipulation which I can make of my own freewill in order to arrive at a definition of simultaneity.” {Emphasis Mine}
A. Einstein, Relativity: The Special and General Theory, authorized translation by R. W. Lawson (New York: Crown Publishers, 1961), p. 23.

Ergo...the speed of light (average "Two-Way Speed) is merely a 'Convention' that we've agreed upon.

More strikingly, according to Quantum Mechanics (REAL "Science")... Independent of Knowledge/Existence of 'which-path' Information, Photons (including ...Elementary Particles/Atoms/Molecules) have no defined properties or location. They exist in a state of a Wave Function which is a series of Potentialities rather than actual objects. That is, Matter/Photons don't exist as a Wave of Energy prior to observation but as a Wave of Potentialities. 

“It begins to look as we ourselves, by our last minute decision, have an influence on what a photon will do when it has already accomplished most of its doing… we have to say that we ourselves have an undeniable part in what we have always called the past. The past is not really the past until is has been registered. Or to put it another way, the pasthas no meaning or existence unless it exists as a record in the present.”
Prof. John Wheeler "Referenced in"; The Ghost In The Atom; Page 66-68.

Ergo, unless you can explicitly identify "a Knower" @ the source of this Light (Photons) from these 'stars'....who also "observed" it's entire 'path', AND the "observer" who first identified it here on Earth and recorded it (Date and Time stamped) THEN, you're gonna have to provide....

The Speed for a Wave of Potentialities !!   Go ahead...?

 

You can't just 'Whistle Past The Graveyard' and stick with your 'parroted' narrative when I PUMMEL your claims, you kinda have to Falsify/"Debunk" my charges.

 

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The sun is approximately 150 million km or 93 million miles away, a distance that is known as the "astronomical unit" (AU).  Venus, our closest neighbor, is 0.72 AU from the sun, while Mars is 1.52 AU from the sun. Neptune, the most distant planet, is 30 AU from the sun (i.e., 44.8 billion km or 27.9 billion miles).

Sure. Please post 'The Method' you used to arrive @ each claim, so we can VALIDATE coherency...?

 

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The Voyager 2 spacecraft, launched in 1977, reached Jupiter just two years later, but did not reach Neptune until 1989.

Sure.  

1.  Space, as in a Vacuum??  If so, please explain...

If there is no physical barrier between Earth's Atmosphere and Space, which there isn't...

Ergo...

 

How can you have a Vacuum (Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?

 

If there's a "Non Perfect" Vacuum surrounding the Earth's Atmospheric layers as we are 'TOLD', then there should be a colossal cascading chain of envelopment from the Exosphere to Thermosphere to Mesosphere down to your feet like dominoes faster than you can say "ENTROPY" until equilibrium is reached. Hard Stop!

 

Have you heard of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, per adventure?

 

Please explain this in a Law of Entropy context?  i.e., Law of Entropy:  Unless it is hindered "purposely", in "Nature"....

Heat Flows from Hot to Cold (Always!), Energy Concentrated to Dispersed (Always!), High Gas Pressure to Low Gas Pressure (Always!).

 

So @ a minimum sir, How are you still breathing...?

 

 

2. So Voyager was sending back 'DATA' from Jupiter, eh?   Have you heard of "Free Space Path Loss" ??

 

Jupiter @ it's closest is 'purportedly'  365,000,000 (Furthest... 601 Million Miles).

 

 

So, ( calculator: https://www.pasternack.com/t-calculator-fspl.aspx ) :

 

Distance: 365,000,000 miles

Frequency: 10 GHz

Transmitter Gain (dB): 70 

Receiver Gain (dB): 20

 

FREE SPACE PATH LOSS = 197.8 dB

 

So to Overcome FREE SPACE PATH LOSS (Convert dB to Watts: http://www.rapidtables.com/electric/dBW.htm ) :  You need a Transmit Power of.....

 

60,255,958,607,435,930,000 WATTS !!!

 

 

That's: 60,225 Petawatts --- which ='s 60,225,000,000 Megawatts

 

BTW: Three Mile Island rated capacity 802,000,000 Watts or 802 Megawatts.  

 

So 'Voyager' would have to be carrying the equivalent of 75,093,516 Three Mile Island's to transmit and overcome "Free Space Path Loss".  

 

Can you see how all this Tomfoolery can be dismissed out of hand??   

There's a Principle in Logic called *NECESSITY* or better said, *"Contingently Necessary"* i.e., for a conclusion to have a prayer of being true, then ALL conditions (Premises) availing it's Veracity --- *MUST BE TRUE*; e.g., if all that the world has known was nothing but Anarchy, then Humpty Dumpty's existence is a Fairytale; Why (??) Well... "all the King's horses and all the King's men...". The entire Tale can be summarily dismissed out of hand without scrutinizing any other part of the story because you have a 'Slap in the Face' contradiction in one of the Premises--- (Anarchy and a King existing @ the same time). Follow?

 

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The nearest stars, the triplet Alpha Centauri A, Alpha Centauri B and Proxima Centauri, are roughly 1000 times more distant, approximately 40.7 trillion km (25.3 trillion mi). Such huge distances are often given in terms of light-years, namely the distance that light travels in a Julian year of 365.25 days (9.461 trillion km or 5.879 trillion mi). Thus the Alpha/Proxima Centauri star system is roughly 4.3 light-years away.

Sure.  fyi: Ahhh, I've already "De-Bunked" your 'Light Years' claim, Twice!!  So...

Please post 'The Method' you used to arrive @ each claim, so we can VALIDATE coherency...?

 

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The Milky Way galaxy consists of some 300 billion stars in a spiral-shaped conglomerate roughly 100,000 light-years across.

The nearest spiral galaxy is the Andromeda Galaxy, which can be seen with many home telescopes. It is roughly 2.54 million light-years away. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. As of the present date, the most distant observed galaxy is some 13.2 billion light-years away, which is more than 5000 times more distant than the Andromeda Galaxy. The age of the universe itself is currently estimated to be 13.75 billion years (plus or minus 0.011 billion years), so this galaxy must have formed soon after the big bang. An interesting online tool, which one can use to determine first-hand the age of the universe from known data, is available at [WMAP2009].

 

WMAP, eh?  Let's toss in COBE --Firas/DMR and Planck Satellite for kicks, eh...

CMB from (COBE-FIRAS and DMR) along with Penzias/Wilson discoveries is the 'Cosmic Microwave Background' ....of the immediate background!!:  THE OCEANS and Water in the Atmosphere !!  Let's see, put a cup of water in a Microwave, What Happens?  Is it an Absorber...does the water get hot?  If it does, then by definition..... it's a Powerful EMITTER! 

 

 

Let's have a look... (Water Molecules: Hydroxyl/Hydrogen Bonds):

 

  

 

The Bond Force Constants (Hydroxyl vs Hydrogen) are the " CMB Whisperer ".  The Water Dimer (in Water Vapor AND Condensed Water) acts like a simple Harmonic Oscillator---The Energy in the Hydroxyl Bond is 100 x Stronger than the Hydrogen Bond.  So when looking @ the emission of the Water Dimer, it will be = to the ratio of the Bond Force Constants (Hydroxyl/Hydrogen) which is also related to Temperature...so when attaining 300K emissions (Blackbody emissions of the 'Oceans') --- you then DIVIDE by the Ratio --- Drum Roll..... = 3.0 KELVIN !!!  

 

"The Earth radiates roughly like the 300 kelvin curve and the Sun like the 5800 kelvin curve."

https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/putting-the-earth-in-a-box/

 

 

What's the Official Temperature of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation ??  Drum Roll.... 2.725 Kelvin.  

 

 

Also, COBE @ 900km above the Earth (yea, right) had a Shield protecting the Horn....RF and Thermal, not microwave naturally.  Have you heard the term "Diffraction" before?  Low Frequency waves (Radio/Microwave) DIFFRACT THE MOST!!!

 

Special Note: the COBE-FIRAS Horn was designed to operate from 30 - 3,000 GHz.  There is no other horn in the History of Man, including now 20 Years later, that can match this fairytale.  It is an Engineering IMPOSSIBILITY!

More on COBE in a Moment (SEE: Ringer below)

 

 

 

WMAP: My Goodness.  Look @ the Maps in the Research Papers. Gives a whole new meaning to Photoshop and Scissors!  

 

Smoot et al. COBE-DMR

 

They just "CUT OUT" the Galactic Foreground!!  

 

There are so many holes in this it's like a dart board.  Let's take one and annihilate it: The units of measure for the anisotropies are in "u" (micro-Kelvin) and the measure for the Galactic Foreground is in milli-Kelvin; that is to say, that the NOISE is (1,000 times Stronger!) than the "alleged" signal.  

By Experiment (and common sense), it is well known that if you have a signal that is 1,000 times weaker than the "Noise" YOU CANNOT REMOVE THE NOISE to extract the Signal......Unless:

 

1. You have "a priori" knowledge of the Nature of the Source....and:

2. You can physically manipulate the Source.

 

End of WMAP Story.

Now for the Ringer!...

 

Planck Satellite (@ L2---1.5 million Km from Earth, yea right):  (This is absolutely hilarious.....wait for it  ):  Carried Two 4 K Reference Blackbodies (High and Low Frequency) both in-cased in Aluminum.  But they ran into a problem.  They couldn't keep the Low Frequency Blackbody (BB) @ 4K; they noted that the High Frequency BB was good to go and was attached to a shield.  So, to keep the low frequency BB @ thermal equilibrium they decided to "bolt it" also to the High Frequency Shield. 

Sounds Good, what's the problem?  Well, they used metal washers and screws...that creates a "CONDUCTION PATH"; Hithertofore, renders the Blackbody no longer a Blackbody.  So then they compared the Low Frequency Blackbody Reference Horn to the Sky Horn and got "Great Results!!" A MATCH !! Because they're getting ZERO from the BB Reference Horn and a "Match" from the Sky Horn (which MUST BE @ ZERO....see "match" and "No Blackbody"); Which is Confirmed by NO MONOPOLE SIGNAL @ L2 from Planck.....

 

The Best Part, They Unwittingly confirmed in One Fell Swoop that there is "NO COSMIC MICROWAVE BACKGROUND" and lol.....CONFIRMS that COBE-FIRAS and COBE-DMR results were both overwhelmed by the Giant Microwave Emitter.....

 

THE OCEANS !!

 

Absolutely Classic! Thanks 

 

Then this...

 

 

Fixen D,J., Cheng E.S., Gales J.M., Mather J.C., Shafer R.A., Wright E.T., The cosmic microwave background spectrum from the full data set; Astrophys. J., 1996, v. 473, p. 576-587.  ......

 

This is the Famous Graph that they said their line above..... is 400 Times Thicker than their Error Bars!!    Why on Earth is the Data shifted to the Right?  And can anyone tell me what's the problem with the X Axis....doesn't "4" come after "3" ??  If I would've turned this into my Junior High Level Science Class, my teacher would have ripped this up and kindly instructed me to start over !!

 

AND, How in the World are they getting a Continuous Black Body Spectrum from the Universe......is it in a Box???  How are they getting this Spectrum from Gases...They Emit in Bands !!!

 

Humpy Dumpty has more veracity than this fiasco !!

 

Here's the problem...

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The scope of the universe is perhaps best illustrated by an example given by Australian astrophysicist Geraint Lewis.

astrophysics (like it's incoherent twin sisters--- astronomy and cosmology and their step children: paleontology, anthropology, archaeology, geology, evolutionary biology (lol), theoretical physics 'non-experimental') isn't "SCIENCE"!!

They collectively and inherently can't follow the Scientific Method: "SCIENCE".

Crocheting is more "SCIENTIFIC" than these CLOWNS...COMBINED !!!!

The first three pretenders can't get to the First Step of the Scientific Method ("SCIENCE").  The six final masqueraders can't formulate Scientific Hypotheses because they lack VIABLE **Independent Variables**; Ergo...CAN'T ISOLATE, TEST, then VALIDATE their Dependent Variables (*Predictions*)...Step 3 Hypothesis (*"SCIENCE"*). Hard STOP!!

Andreas Osiander; Foreword: "On the Revolution of Heavenly Spheres" (1543); Nicolas Copernicus...

 

"So far as hypotheses are concerned, let no one expect anything certain from astronomy, which cannot furnish it, lest he accept as the truth ideas conceived for another purpose, and depart from this study a greater fool than when he entered it."

http://hti.osu.edu/sites/hti.osu.edu/files/ossiander_foreword_to_copernicus.pdf

 

 

Confirmed in a BIG WAY, here:

 

Renowned cosmologist George Francis Rayner Ellis...

 

‘People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations … For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. … You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.'

Gibbs, W. Wayt, 1995. Profile: George F.R. Ellis; Thinking Globally, Acting Universally. Scientific American 273(4):28, 29 (See also Hawking S., Ellis GFR: The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time.)

 

 

Welcome to "Philosophy" (aka: Religion), only these 'orators' have calculators.

 

“Cosmology may look like a science, but it isn’t a science. A basic tenet of science is that you can do repeatable experiments, and you can’t do that in cosmology.” 

Gunn, J., cited in: Cho, Adrian, A singular conundrum: How odd is our universe? Science 3171848–1850, 2007.

 

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He noted that if the entire Milky Way galaxy is represented by a small coin, roughly one cm across, then the Andromeda galaxy would be another small coin roughly 25 cm (10 in) away. The observable universe would then extend for 5 km (3 mi) in every direction, encompassing some 300 billion galaxies (and roughly 3 x 1022 individual stars). And yet most of the universe is empty space!

More like -- his entire treatise is 'Empty'.  Again, Humpty Dumpty has more Veracity.

 

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More here:

http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/physics/distance.php

 

More here:

The Scientific Method:

 

Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon
Step 2: Lit Review
Step 3: Hypothesis
Step 4: TEST/EXPERIMENT
Step 5: Analyze Data
Step 6: Valid/Invalid Hypothesis
Step 7: Report Results

In conclusion, whenever you're ready to put forward sound, firmly established 'actual' Science and coherent arguments in lieu of incessantly "Parroting" incoherent "Just-So" Stories... your posts will continue to suffer the same fate as this one.

 

ps. Incidentally, you accidentally forgot to answer ("Dodged")...

1.  The Speed for a Wave of Potentialities !!   Go ahead...?

2. Scientific Evidence??   Scientific Evidence of WHAT, pray tell?

3. Evidence of WHAT ??  Then, let's hear your 'Evidence'...?

If it's 'Scientific Evidence', then please Identify the BOLDED parts:

The Scientific Method:

 

Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon...?
Step 2: Lit Review
Step 3: Hypothesis...?
Step 4: TEST/EXPERIMENT...?
Step 5: Analyze Data
Step 6: Valid/Invalid Hypothesis...?
Step 7: Report Results

4.  In them??  What on Earth...what is this evidence IN your "Alleged" stars??  

5.  What are 'stars' ??  How do they work...?

6.  Are you saying the 'Lights' in the skies (that are colloquially classified as 'stars') are like our SUN??

7.  Did God ever explicitly (or implicitly) Identify 'The SUN' as a Star OR the 'stars' as the "SUN/SUN-Like" ??  If so, please post the Scripture(s)...?

8. How does something 'look' millions/billions of years old...? 

9. Do you understand the difference between "Scientific Evidence" and merely 'looking' @ something -- then making up a Fairytale Story that comports with your 'LOOKINGS' and Dream State narrative?

10. Please show us, using The Scientific Method --- Errr "SCIENCE", How you DATE things...?

11.  Do you even know what Actual "SCIENCE" is ??  If so, can you please give us YOUR take...? 

Essentially, My Entire Post !  

 

regards

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[HAZARD]

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"4.  In them??  What on Earth...what is this evidence 

IN your "Alleged" stars??  

5.  What are 'stars' ??  How do they work...?

6.  Are you saying the 'Lights' in the skies (that are colloquially classified as 'stars') are like our SUN??

7.  Did God ever explicitly (or implicitly) Identify 'The SUN' as a Star OR the 'stars' as the "SUN/SUN-Like" ??  If so, please post the Scripture(s)...?

8. How does something 'look' millions/billions of years old...? 

9. Do you understand the difference between "Scientific Evidence" and merely 'looking' @ something -- then making up a Fairytale Story that comports with your 'LOOKINGS' and Dream State narrative?

10. Please show us, using The Scientific Method --- Errr "SCIENCE", How you DATE things...?

11.  Do you even know what Actual "SCIENCE" is ??  If so, can you please give us YOUR take...?

 

I'm no scientist, never ever said I was, I'm just a simple retired coal miner, who believes the Holy Inspired Word of God. God created the heavens, the stars, the galaxies, the Earth and all therein. Scientists tell us the universe is old and enormous and full of stars. God says there are innumerable stars out there. (Believe it or not). I believe it.

Hebrews 11:12,Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude,  and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

Job 22:12, Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!

Psalm 8:3, When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STARS THERE ARE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE? God knows, He even knows them by name.

Psam 147:4, He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names.

HERE GOD MENTIONS CONSTELATIONS;

Isa 13:10, For the stars of heaven and the constellations  thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

I thank God for revealing these things to babes like me, and hiding the truth from the worldly wise.

Matthew 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Luke 10:21, In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

 

In 2 Timothy Paul advises Timothy of the difficult times to come, describes the enemies of the truth, explains unto him his own example, and commends the Holy Scriptures.

2 Timothy  3:7, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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[HAZARD]

O'h look, STARS? Looks like God has been busy for a long time!

John 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

They have been working throughout eternity past, and they are both still working.

[Enoch2021]

18 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

 

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I'm no scientist, never ever said I was, I'm just a simple retired coal miner...

 

There's no problem with that.  The problem comes in when you "Parrot" --- "Science" this and "Science" that, without the ability to Scrutinize.

 

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who believes the Holy Inspired Word of God. God created the heavens, the stars, the galaxies, the Earth and all therein.

"who believes the Holy Inspired Word of God. God created the heavens, the stars, the galaxies, the Earth and all therein."

Now it's correct.

 

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Scientists tell us the universe is old and enormous and full of stars.

That's the first problem.  And 99.999% of them aren't "SCIENTISTS" is the 2nd.

 

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God says there are innumerable stars out there. (Believe it or not). I believe it.

Yep, never identifies them as "Sun's or Sun-Like", however. 

 

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Hebrews 11:12,Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude,  and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

Job 22:12, Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!

Psalm 8:3, When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STARS THERE ARE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE? God knows, He even knows them by name.

Psam 147:4, He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names.

Yep, what's your point for each?

 

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HERE GOD MENTIONS CONSTELATIONS;

Isa 13:10, For the stars of heaven and the constellations  thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

 

Yep, again...what's your point ?

AND, There's a Problem here between what your "Scientists" say and what God says... "the moon shall not cause her light to shine".

The "Scientists" say that the Moon Reflects the Sun's Light; Whereas, God clearly states The Moon has her own INHERENT LIGHT.

Also,  It is impossible for a convex object (The Moon "allegedly"---SEE: what 'Scientists' say) to uniformly reflect light equally in all directions (i.e., to have any angle of incidence), only FLAT or concave surfaces can do so.  If a surface is convex, then every ray of light points in a direct line perpendicular to the surface resulting in ZERO Reflection!

 

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I thank God for revealing these things to babes like me, and hiding the truth from the worldly wise.

Yes but wouldn't the "wordly wise" encapsulate your "Scientists" ??

 

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In 2 Timothy Paul advises Timothy of the difficult times to come, describes the enemies of the truth, explains unto him his own example, and commends the Holy Scriptures.

2 Timothy  3:7, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

A Perfect description of your "Scientists".  

 

18 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Please post the "ORIGINAL FILE" links to 'Pictures' 1 and 3 so I may put them through the Image Forensics crucible...?

 

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[Enoch2021]

21 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

O'h look, STARS? Looks like God has been busy for a long time!

John 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

They have been working throughout eternity past, and they are both still working.

Same goes for these: "ORIGINAL FILE" links please...?

 

regards

[Enoch2021]

22 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

Science and the Bible do not disagree.

 

Well Science and the Bible have never (and will never) discuss cases to afford the opportunity to disagree or agree on anything; Mainly because Science is not an ENTITY or a Result, it's not Sentient/Intelligent--Ergo, it cannot Reason.  It's merely a Method of Inquiry.  

So all you have here is a Reification Fallacy leading to a Non-Sequitur (Fallacy) conclusion, on Steroids.

 

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[HAZARD]

[Enoch2021]

4 hours ago, HAZARD said:

This isn't an "ORIGINAL FILE" link.  I need a " .jpg, .png, .gif " ect.

Thanks