ZacharyB Posted October 12, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) “The Greek verb for repent (metanoeo) and the related noun for repentance (metanoia) signify a change of mind (meta, meaning alter or change; and nous, meaning mind). More than just an intellectual change of mind is in view; rather, both terms refer to a change in one’s way of thinking that results in different beliefs and a change in the direction of one’s life. The verb pisteuo (meaning believe) is much more common than metanoeo, though both words refer to concepts foundational to salvation (Mt 4:17, Lk 15:7, Jn 3:16). Repent and believe may be understood as opposites sides of the same coin. Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus, when one is mentioned the other is implied. John’s Gospel and his three Epistles never use repent or repentance, but believe occurs numerous times. On one occasion in the NT, repent and believe are used together for emphasis (Mk 1:15); similarly, repentance and faith occur together only once (Ac 20:21).” … Experiencing the Word NT (Holman Christian Standard Bible), 2001 Mt 4:17 • “Repent, because the kingdom of heaven has come near.” Lk 15:7 • “… there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents” Jn 3:16 • “everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.” Mk 1:15 • “Repent and believe in the good news!” Ac 20:21 • ”… repentance towards God and faith in our Lord Jesus.” “The Greek word pisteou means to believe, trust, rely upon, and its related noun is pistis (faith). In his Gospel, John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved. Instead, he used believe since this term included all these ideas.” … Experiencing the Word NT (Holman Christian Standard Bible), 2001 Yes, it is commonly known that NT belief includes faith, trust, rely on, etc. Both believing Jesus’ gospel and repenting of sin are necessary for salvation. Yes, true belief includes repentance (see above). But, of course, these are not one-time events. Continuing belief-repentance is required. All of this is merely a confirmation of what we already know! For example, approximately 10 NT verses teach us that … our faith must endure until the end of our lives for us to end up being saved. No permanent changing of our minds (e.g. switching religions), no falling away from the faith, no drawing back from the faith, etc. So, we come to this conclusion … True saving faith = continuing belief-faith-trust-repentance At the very least anyway (because IMO there is more involved). Edited October 12, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted October 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,056 Content Per Day: 15.08 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2016 But we know faith-repentance can be interrupted. For example; the prodigal son, lost sheep, etc. So salvation is not necessarily the end result. We must run the race all the way to the end, as Paul says. But if we stumble, we have an advocate in Jesus who willingly shed His blood for us, as a sacrificial lamb, a spotless lamb on our behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 13, 2016 Blessings "BroZack".... I know you like my"dots"....dot dot dot-LOL Thank you for the heads up ,here I am to join you!!! Zack,I couldn't agree more great OP.....I guess my "whosoever" comment the other day is what prompted you to start this Thread,is that right?I know you mentioned that there is more to the " whosoever"(Jn 3:15) that simply "believing"......I had a hunch where you were headed & I do appreciate that you did not go "Off-Topic"which inevitably would have resulted in a de-railed Thread....instead you did what everyone should do,start a Thread of your own!!!! Thank you Brothe... Yes,merely "believing" is not all there is to it,that is what Gods Word says..... Quote 18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that, and shudder! 20O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?… James 2:18-20 Berean Study Bible Yikes! Now here is where the controversy usually starts and if we are not misunderstood then there should not be any......You & I both know that we ARE not talking about works based Salvation but rather the evidence of Salvation by the fruits one produces......but this discussion is about "belief"....or FAITH,that is we believe that Jesus is Lord & Savior and TRUST that His Finished work on the cross is all that we need to REceive the Grace of God & be SAVED......that is what FAITH is,Faith in the knowledge of WHO Jesus is .....as opposed to knowing about Jesus & 'possibly can do" or maybe He will & maybe I can do this or that to make it all work.....OR as the demons believe they simply 'know" without any intention of repenting!!!!!! ' I'm rambling now,sort of "chatty".......sorry Anyway,I too believe there is more involved...there must be growth,anything that is ALIVE,grows & reproduces.....there has to be a willingness to be changed,submission,surrender All of this is what makes us "whosoevers".....the ones that truly had the HOPE,,the desire,the repentant heart,the willingness ,the humibleness,the TRUST in Him With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 14, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: But we know faith-repentance can be interrupted. For example; the prodigal son, lost sheep, etc. So salvation is not necessarily the end result. We must run the race all the way to the end, as Paul says. But if we stumble, we have an advocate in Jesus who willingly shed His blood for us, as a sacrificial lamb, a spotless lamb on our behalf. Why the "But"? Yes, isn't it even promised that our Mediator/Intercessor, Jesus, will be successful in getting His elect (chosen ones) into Heaven? Question, of course, is: Who exactly are God's elect? Answer: Those whom Father God predestined, etc. before the foundation of the world. Back to the same question: Who exactly were they? Edited October 14, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 14, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Anyway,I too believe there is more involved...there must be growth,anything that is ALIVE,grows & reproduces.....there has to be a willingness to be changed,submission,surrender All of this is what makes us "whosoevers".....the ones that truly had the HOPE,,the desire,the repentant heart,the willingness ,the humibleness,the TRUST in Him Blessings, my dear Kwikster sister ... May I say that IMO the whosoevers are those to whom are given that little seed of faith, which enanbles them to actually believe! This belief-faith-trust in Jesus and His Gospel (Good News) is totally against man's nature ... according to many NT verses. IMO, the Lord has played a lot of word games in the NT. He is more than able to cover ALL of the bases w/o us even realizing it. And during those 17 years, He sure taught Paul well how to do it. Edited October 14, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted October 14, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,056 Content Per Day: 15.08 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2016 3 hours ago, ZacharyB said: Why the "But"? Yes, isn't it even promised that our Mediator/Intercessor, Jesus, will be successful in getting His elect (chosen ones) into Heaven? Question, of course, is: Who exactly are God's elect? Answer: Those whom Father God predestined, etc. before the foundation of the world. Back to the same question: Who exactly were they? I hope this helps you understand the scriptures related to predestination. Source: Predestination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 14, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2016 Quote Blessings, my dear Kwikster sister ... May I say that IMO the whosoevers are those to whom are given that little seed of faith, which enanbles them to actually believe! Zachary B Of course you may,BroZach!!!! And I do like what you said,agreed! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 15, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 22 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: I hope this helps you understand the scriptures related to predestination. Source: Predestination Before we read it, please inform us who wrote it. FYI, I know who wrote the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 15, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 21 hours ago, kwikphilly said: And I do like what you said What, re: "my dear Kwikster sister"? But, I have a serious dilemma that has been troubling me ... Should I be callin' you Kwikster sister or sister Kwikster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 15, 2016 Blessings Beloved Brother.... Quote Should I be callin' you Kwikster sister or sister Kwikster? Whichever your little heart desires,,,,,,,whichever comes to mind first is FANTASTIC by me!!!!! I'm just happy to be your SISTER!!!! Praise Jesus! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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