enoob57 Posted October 15, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,061 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 15, 2016 On 10/14/2016 at 8:22 AM, ZacharyB said: Blessings, my dear Kwikster sister ... May I say that IMO the whosoevers are those to whom are given that little seed of faith, which enanbles them to actually believe! This belief-faith-trust in Jesus and His Gospel (Good News) is totally against man's nature ... according to many NT verses. IMO, the Lord has played a lot of word games in the NT. He is more than able to cover ALL of the bases w/o us even realizing it. And during those 17 years, He sure taught Paul well how to do it. this comment is very suspect to my understanding care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 16, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Blessings Beloved Brother....I'm just happy to be your SISTER!!!! Your love for all of the brothers and sisters blows me away! I have a lot of repenting to do to be in your league. 1 John has really made an impression on me lately, which says: If we don't love all of our (born-from-above) brethren, we don't have eternal life. Edited October 16, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 16, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, enoob57 said: the Lord has played a lot of word games in the NT this comment is very suspect to my understanding care to elaborate? Yes, it's kind of a long story! God does not wish to discourage (especially) His baby believers. So, He somewhat hides some of His "hard sayings". More so in the letters to the churches than in the Gospels, which were written to everyone. Paul was taught how to write super-tactfully during those 17 years he spent in the desert regions with the Lord. My favorite example is Romans 6 where Paul is very tactfully saying that born-from-above believers are NO longer slaves of sin, but are free to CHOOSE to sin or not to sin, and if they choose to be slaves of sin, it means eternal death. Believe it or not ... this is what Paul is saying! To summarize: The tough-to-swallow anti-OSAS truths are mixed in with the myriads of uplifting verses, which edify, exhort, encourage, promise, and etc. It is almost as if the dire warnings about losing salvation are camouflaged ... only to be revealed to certain believers by the most precious Holy Spirit. Those who are led by the Spirit (warnings included) are God's kids (Rom 8:14). Also involved is God's desire for civilized societies. The more that the non-elect are kept in the dark, the more some of them will try to please God through works.. Remember the reason Jesus gave for Him using parables? Edited October 16, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 16, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2016 Blessing my Beloved Brother.....the Zackster Quote Your love for all of the brothers and sisters blows me away! I have a lot of repenting to do to be in your league. I do love ,with all of me but that is because of He Who Abides in me,Praise Jesus,,,,,,Zack,there was a time I went out into the wilderness & the heart began to harden,I was hindering Holy Spirit because I would not forsake "self".....the spirit of pride was rampant,one day my eyes were opened & He Revealed to me my very own heart,it was not a pretty sight and so i hung my flesh upon the cross and died,a slow death but none the less,,,the old had passed & the new Creature in Christ Jesus started to emerge & here I am,because He died for me,I live for Him...........All the Glory belongs to God Alone,it is none of me,it is all Jesus!!! Much Love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 16, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2016 Beloved..... I almost forgot & I meant to tell you a couple of times.....so if I may,BroZack you & I have always connected & you have always been wonderful to me but then you left you were gone for a little moment & I don't know where or why you were not here but something AMAZING happened...........you are different,gentler,more peaceful with a more compassionate way & filled with much Joy,more than I saw before..........did you spend some extra special time with Jesus? Anyway,I wanted you to know......I see our Lord & Savior Shining Brighter than ever.......... With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 17, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 19 hours ago, kwikphilly said: Blessing my Beloved Brother.....the Zackster I do love ,with all of me but that is because of He Who Abides in me,Praise Jesus,,,,,,Zack,there was a time I went out into the wilderness & the heart began to harden,I was hindering Holy Spirit because I would not forsake "self".....the spirit of pride was rampant,one day my eyes were opened & He Revealed to me my very own heart,it was not a pretty sight and so i hung my flesh upon the cross and died,a slow death but none the less,,,the old had passed & the new Creature in Christ Jesus started to emerge & here I am,because He died for me,I live for Him...........All the Glory belongs to God Alone,it is none of me,it is all Jesus!!! Much Love-in Christ,Kwik Thanks, sister Kwikster ... I did arrive at the conclusion many years ago that Jesus is everything! My love for the brethren has been hindered because of not knowing who is who ... all Christian churches and Christian forums have some enemies who are fighting against Jesus and His Gospel. Jesus called out such people and was stern verbally against them. However, I have grown considerably in this area during the past year. Blessings and Love to you, Zach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 17, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, kwikphilly said: ..........did you spend some extra special time with Jesus? Yes, thanks for your concern ... I have been endeavoring to do so more and more in the past few months. You remind me of the apostle Paul ... with your plethora of edifications, exhortations, encouragements, etc. ... but, you're a bit short on warnings (hidden or otherwise). Edited October 17, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 17, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,061 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 17, 2016 21 hours ago, ZacharyB said: Yes, it's kind of a long story! God does not wish to discourage (especially) His baby believers. So, He somewhat hides some of His "hard sayings". More so in the letters to the churches than in the Gospels, which were written to everyone. Paul was taught how to write super-tactfully during those 17 years he spent in the desert regions with the Lord. My favorite example is Romans 6 where Paul is very tactfully saying that born-from-above believers are NO longer slaves of sin, but are free to CHOOSE to sin or not to sin, and if they choose to be slaves of sin, it means eternal death. Believe it or not ... this is what Paul is saying! To summarize: The tough-to-swallow anti-OSAS truths are mixed in with the myriads of uplifting verses, which edify, exhort, encourage, promise, and etc. It is almost as if the dire warnings about losing salvation are camouflaged ... only to be revealed to certain believers by the most precious Holy Spirit. Those who are led by the Spirit (warnings included) are God's kids (Rom 8:14). Also involved is God's desire for civilized societies. The more that the non-elect are kept in the dark, the more some of them will try to please God through works.. Remember the reason Jesus gave for Him using parables? Paul clearly and distinctly says this: Titus 3:5 (KJV) [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; clearly you are teaching that works we do saves us or keeps us saved and clearly The Lord says this Matthew 7:22 (KJV) [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Most of the grotesque things I hear or read is a people immersed in sin in a sin encouraged environment thinking there are things here that we can use in works to achieve what the death of The Holy Pure Son of God could only do... but I understand that is was born out of the catholic church and many protestants have maintained the error... I'm sure it has been said to you many times but why not once more - if we can't earn salvation by works how can it be taught that we keep it by works? Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 17, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2016 Blessings BroZach Quote However, I have grown considerably in this area during the past year. It shows,Glory to God!' Quote . but, you're a bit short on warnings (hidden or otherwise). I suppose that is because you don't require any through me & believe me,when I am lead to I obey,no question.....here in this Ministry every member(of the Body of Christ) has their function & together we are effective,my assignment seems quite clear and Praise the Lord for all His Goodness God Bless you With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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