nebula Posted October 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Very true, we have gotten so divided along partisan lines that one party would grovel to a foreign power to hurt the other party. The group that once stood shoulder to shoulder with our military now regards them as weak and helpless. Military strength begins with the Commander Inn Chief. Again, why did we lose Viet Nam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 8 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Very true, we have gotten so divided along partisan lines that one party would grovel to a foreign power to hurt the other party. The group that once stood shoulder to shoulder with our military now regards them as weak and helpless. More like in a diminished state of readiness and if Obama and Hillary get their way we will have been reduced to the force strength we had just prior to WWII. I would come down harder on the party that weakened the military. Instead, you condemn the party the recognizes what the other party has done to our military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 23, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2016 30 minutes ago, nebula said: Military strength begins with the Commander Inn Chief. Again, why did we lose Viet Nam? Because Congress didn't want to win it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted October 24, 2016 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2016 I had to remove some profanity from the initial topic. Please understand that we don't allow this here and it is a definite violation of the terms of service. In the future this will almost certainly result in being banned from the topic. God bless, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted October 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Because Congress didn't want to win it And for the past 8 years, we've had a federal government that has been weakening our military and making them ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2016 6 hours ago, nebula said: And for the past 8 years, we've had a federal government that has been weakening our military and making them ineffective. Please list some specific things that federal government has done that has weakened our military and made them ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: Please list some specific things that federal government has done that has weakened our military and made them ineffective. How about reducing the standards for physical readiness so that it would appear that women were scoring has high as men on PT scores? How about firing 200 generals and admirals over a five year period for disagreeing with him about things like force structure or not being loyal to him? Obama sees the military as HIS military. He demands that those under his command obey him, not the Constitution they swore to defend. Letting sleaze buckets like gays and transgenders openly serve is another weakening element. Fewer are enlisting and many are not re-enlisting once their contract expires. Obama loathes the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, shiloh357 said: How about reducing the standards for physical readiness so that it would appear that women were scoring has high as men on PT scores? How about firing 200 generals and admirals over a five year period for disagreeing with him about things like force structure or not being loyal to him? ... Fewer are enlisting and many are not re-enlisting once their contract expires. Obama loathes the military. Do you have some data to support these claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: Do you have some data to support these claims? Do you live under rock? This stuff has been talked about in the news ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted October 24, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Do you live under rock? This stuff has been talked about in the news ad nauseum. Nope, and I also do not live in a bubble of misinformation. The US Army PFT is the same as it has been in the last 20 plus years. Push ups, sit-ups and a 2 mile run. The scoring has not changed. The USMC PFT is the same as it has been for more than 30 years (with the exception of situps being replaced by crunches which happened 20ish years ago), Pull ups/Flex arm hang, crunches and a 3 mile run. The scoring has not changed. The US Navy has updated their standards, previously you could fail 3 PRTs in 4 years before being discharged now it is 2 in 3 years. The US Air Force has changed in that now everyone has to do the same PFT, while in the past it was based upon job assignment. Also they have added in a waist measurement that was not there before looking for those who are over weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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