And even more Erdogan bravado

[WilliamL]

In the past few weeks, a conflict between Ankara and Baghdad over Turkey’s role in the liberation of Mosul has precipitated an alarming burst of Turkish irredentism. On two separate occasions, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan criticized the Treaty of Lausanne, which created the borders of modern Turkey, for leaving the country too small. He spoke of the country’s interest in the fate of Turkish minorities living beyond these borders, as well as its historic claims to the Iraqi city of Mosul, near which Turkey has a small military base. ... Turkey’s pro-government media have shown a newfound interest in a series of imprecise, even crudely drawn, maps of Turkey with new and improved borders.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/23/turkeys-religious-nationalists-want-ottoman-borders-iraq-erdogan/

 

U.S. officials are scrambling to contain flaring tensions between Ankara and Baghdad after Turkish officials announced their troops Sunday shelled Islamic State positions near the Iraqi city of Mosul...

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has made a series of incendiary speeches in recent weeks emphasizing that he won't stand by and see Mosul controlled by Shi’ites and has adamantly rebuffed Baghdad’s demand to withdraw Turkish forces from northern Iraq. In one television interview he said: “But there is a major question, who will then control the city? Of course, Sunni Arabs, Sunni Turkmen and Sunni Kurds.”

http://www.voanews.com/a/turkey-iraq-tensions-over-mosul/3564170.html

 

"False anointed ones shall arise..." And Erdogan is clearly one of them.

[ayin jade]

He is trying to reclaim the old ottoman empire borders. A once stable country is now attempting to join the fray of hostilities and instabilities in the middle east. 

[WilliamL]

2 Esdras 15:46 And you, Asia [Minor], who share in the splendor of Babylon and the glory of her person—

47 woe to you, miserable wretch! For you have made yourself like her; you have decked out your daughters for prostitution to please and glory in your lovers, who have always lusted after you.

48 You have imitated that hateful one in all her deeds and devices. Therefore God says,

49 I will send evils upon you: widowhood, poverty, famine, sword, and pestilence, bringing ruin to your houses, bringing destruction and death.

50 And the glory of your strength shall wither like a flower when the heat shall rise that is sent upon you.

51 You shall be weakened like a wretched woman who is beaten and wounded, so that you cannot receive your mighty lovers.

52 Would I have dealt with you so violently, says the Lord,

53 if you had not killed my chosen people continually, exulting and clapping your hands and talking about their death when you were drunk?

54 Beautify your face!

55 The reward of a prostitute is in your lap; therefore you shall receive your recompense.

56 As you will do to my chosen people, says the Lord, so God will do to you, and will hand you over to adversities.

57 Your children shall die of hunger, and you shall fall by the sword; your cities shall be wiped out, and all your people who are in the open country shall fall by the sword.

58 Those who are in the mountains and highlands shall perish of hunger, and they shall eat their own flesh in hunger for bread and drink their own blood in thirst for water.

59 Unhappy above all others, you shall come and suffer fresh miseries.

60 As they pass by they shall crush the hateful city, and shall destroy a part of your land and abolish a portion of your glory, when they return from devastated Babylon.

61 You shall be broken down by them like stubble, and they shall be like fire to you.

62 They shall devour you and your cities, your land and your mountains; they shall burn with fire all your forests and your fruitful trees.

63 They shall carry your children away captive, plunder your wealth, and mar the glory of your countenance.

[ayin jade]

2 Esdras is apocrypha, not scripture.

[Ezra]

22 hours ago, ayin jade said:

He is trying to reclaim the old ottoman empire borders. 

That is correct. And you can thank Barack Obama for this mess.

[WilliamL]

On 10/26/2016 at 11:15 AM, ayin jade said:

2 Esdras is apocrypha, not scripture.

And your authority for this statement is...?

[ayin jade]

44 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

And your authority for this statement is...?

Even the kjv at the time included it as apocrypha but not as scripture. It was clearly separated in the kjv. It was not considered as part of the canon. 

[WilliamL]

13 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Even the kjv at the time included it as apocrypha but not as scripture. It was clearly separated in the kjv. It was not considered as part of the canon. 

" To this date, the Apocrypha is "included in the lectionaries of Anglican and Lutheran Churches."^[4] Moreover, the Revised Common Lectionary, in use by most mainline Protestants including Methodists and Moravians, lists readings from the Apocrypha in the liturgical kalendar...^[5]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha

"A lectionary is a book or listing that contains a collection of scripture readings appointed for Christian or Judaic worship on a given day or occasion."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectionary

 

 

 

[ayin jade]

That still doesnt make it the word of God. 

[WilliamL]

On 10/28/2016 at 1:25 PM, ayin jade said:

That still doesnt make it the word of God. 

Whether of not you accept it as the word of God is irrelevant to whether or not it is true. If you say that all truth is restricted solely to 66 books of the Bible, then you are saying that there are no more gifts of the Holy Spirit, including the gift of prophecy.

What 2 Esdras 15 describes, in part, is a Last Days war between the land of Iran and "the nations of the dragons of Arabia." The current Sunni-Shia contentions in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere are then merely coincidence in the light of this prophecy? I don't think so.