Which Bible to start

[rikdegraaff]

Dear everyone,

Sorry, I haven't posted here for a long-time.
This forums stayed always in my mind, but I was too busy with my autistic problems...
Now I have some more time to study my Dutch Bible, and that is right what I am doing!

I have a really, for me, big question.
That question still bugs me a lot, so here it comes.

Which Bible is the most standard one in English??
On my wishlist of my favourite book-store is the "ESV MacArthur Study Bible".
But I just want a plain simple Bible, just like the Dutch New Bible Translation, called in Dutch "Nieuwe Bijbelvertaling".

Which Bible then do I need in English, if I want a normal English Bible.
I don't know which to choose...
Can you, brothers and sisters, help me choosing the right one.
I'm not a native English reader, but I would love to read His word in English!

Thanks and Blessings,

Rik

[Melony]

Dear Rik (RdG). Welcome this is a good question.

Yes, firstly do study this Dutch Bible, and continue in doing this. When reading here you see the english verses.

Some names are: „New international Version“ (NIV), some people like „Amplified bible“.

King james (KjV) version – which I personaly do not like so much. I would not start with this later one. But you see what you get.

 

At first it is good that we might get the feel for Jesus. I would try to read some Gospels, like John, Luke, Mark and Matthew (and than again Mat, Mark, Luk, Joh). Only later start with letters. Romans, Galatians, Ephesians...

For old testament OT https://www.amazon.de/Testament-Ausgewählt-übertragen-geschichtlicher-angeordnet/dp/3783102936/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1478886821&sr=1-2&keywords=Altes+Testament

I personaly (coming from germany) have started with a short version. It helped me reading storie line once. (We find often – 2 or even more text telling the same story. Lets say: The Kings of Israel – from the North/ and the South books =Juda &Jerusalem.) And the full OT version will verry soon come. / But dare to stay just in the new testament NT – for some time.
 

I than had learned well, when deciding to marc the text read. This does take longer. But the work is wearth while. Some things stick better to our understanding.

Best wishes – for personal progress - Melony (Hamburg Germany)
 

[HAZARD]

The KJV for me.

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Why Would Anyone Use The NIV?

By David J. Stewart

“...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you...in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest (twist), as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” —2nd Peter 3:15-17

If you are using the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, and continue to do so after reading this article, then you are truly blinded by Satan, or just don't care. As seen in the verses above, Peter admits that some Scriptures are hard to understand. Just as today, there we're unlearned (Greek, amathes, i.e., ignorant) people back then who corrupted the Word of God. Perhaps “NIV” stands for “Non Inspired Version”!!!

Nothing is new today. Just as the Trojans were woefully deceived by the warring Greek armies, who used a gift horse to conquer them—so is the NIV a Trojan Horse filled with deceit and lies waiting to DESTROY YOU!

Notice that in verse 17 above, the Bible calls Bible-corrupters WICKED! The word "stedfastness" in verse 17 means to be doctrinally sound in the Christian faith. The wicked people who put the NIV together were not doctrinally sound. In fact, they readily admit this in the preface to the NIV. Look for yourself. They state that they wanted to publish a new Bible that was free of any sectarian bias (i.e., that wouldn't offend any particular religious group). 

So they got everybody together, compromised the Word of God, and published a perverted Bible that satisfied each group. Of course, there were no blood-washed, born-again, Christ-honoring, Hell-fire and damnation, Sin-hating, soulwinning believers invited. Their STATED MAIN PURPOSE was not to preserve THE TRUTH; but rather, to publish a translation that was non-offensive to the participating religious denominations (i.e., WIDELY MARKETABLE). The NIV is as ecumenical as you can get (i.e., they all set aside their doctrinal differences in sinful compromise to further one-world religious unity). Biblically, God commands us to be divided by truth, rather than be united by error (2nd Corinthians 6:14-17). The Word of God magnifies TRUTH; whereas, the devil's crowd magnifies UNITY. 
 

Something's Missing!

So what's wrong with the NIV?  In a word... EVERYTHING! Do you have any idea how many things were eviscerated (disemboweled) from the Bible by the NIV authors? Hundreds of words, phrases, and even entire Bible verses were removed from the Word of God by the NIV butchers. Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV butchers: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, quickened, infallible, et cetera. One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the “only BEGOTTEN Son of God.”

Yes, that's right, the NIV butchers removed the word "begotten" from John 3:16. How in the name of truth and justice could any professed Christian use the New International Version? Yet, it's the most popular bible version sold on the market today. If I had a billion dollars, I'd make an offer to churches all across America. I'd exchange brand new King James Bibles for their perverted NIVs. I'd give them new Bibles for their old corrupt bibles. They would first have to give me their NIVs so I could BURN THEM! I'd burn every NIV I could find. 

The NIV translators removed 64,576 words as compared to the King James Bible! Words are very important! God put “every Word” there for a reason, i.e., so we could live by them! Matthew 4:4, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” If I am to live for God, then I need an “every Word” Bible. We have it thank God, in the inspired King James Bible! The Bible is truth!

In sharp contrast, modern Bibles are corrupt and; therefore, produce corrupt teachings. Just the fact that the NIV translators completely removed the critically important Word, “GODHEAD” from Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 is reason enough to run away from the NIV as fast as you can.

That's not all that the wicked NIV deceivers took out of the Bible. The word "sodomite" is completely gone, as is the words: fornication, trucebreakers, winebibbers, carnal, slothful, unthankful, effeminate, backbiting, vanity, lasciviousness, whoredom, devils, Lucifer, damnation, brimstone, and the bottomless pit. I'm not kidding, go check for yourself! It's not surprising that the word “sodomite” is completely gone, when you learn that an open unrepentant homosexual, Dr. Marten Woudstra (now deceased), was the chairman of the Old Testament committee. To no surprise, the homosexual community is excited about the new upcoming NIV2011. Why would any truly born-again believer who loves Jesus Christ use a corrupted Bible that caters to the homosexual agenda? Not me brother!

All these words in the King James Bible have been stricken from the New International Version. We ought to call it the H.I.V., because it's more deadly than the AIDS virus. 2nd Timothy 2:15 instructs each believer to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Well, the NIV removes the word "study" from this verse. 

To no surprise, Paul's admonition against "science falsely so called" in 1st Timothy 6:20 is gone too, and there are no longer any fables to avoid. Of the 54 times "hell" is mentioned in the King James Bible, the NIV reduces it down to 14 times. The King James Bible states in 1st Timothy 3:16 that "GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH"; but the NIV waters it down to... he was revealed in a body.  In Philippians 2:6 of the NIV Jesus is no longer EQUAL with God; but rather, could not grasp equality with God. The NIV is Wicked! Vile! Blasphemy!

Why would anyone use the NIV?
 

Satan's Latest Gimmick

“Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.” —2nd Corinthians 2:11

Don't you see what the Devil has done to God's Word? Satan only comes to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10). If the Devil can't destroy the Bible, then he tries to change It (Romans 1:25). If the Devil can't change the Bible, then he tries to replace it with fables. The latest Satanic gimmick is the claim that several pagan religions outdate Christianity, and that Christianity originated in ancient Egypt. The truth is that Abraham believed on the Lord for salvation in Genesis 15:6 (about 2,000 B.C.). Christianity was here from the Creation, which is evidenced by Abel's offering of a blood sacrifice to God (thus signifying his faith in the coming Savior). People were saved back in the Old Testament the same way we are today—by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8,9). 

When Noah and his family walked off the ark, Christianity had no competition. It wasn't until men came together in UNITY that they corrupted themselves once again, that God segregated them across the earth in Genesis 11:9. So, Biblically, Christianity came before any pagan religions. It wasn't until 566 B.C. that Buddha arrived. Anyone who thinks Christianity didn't exist until the time of Christ is ignorant. Psalm 22 was written around 1000 B.C. by king David, prophesying the crucifixion of Christ.  

We read in Acts 11:26, "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Notice that there were DISCIPLES of Christ before the term "Christian" came into being. Thus, there were followers of Christ throughout the Old Testament.  Satan's greatest weapon is people's ignorance (2nd Corinthians 4:4). How tragic that even professed Christians today are woefully deceived concerning the Word of God. Is this not exactly what Jesus warned about in Mark 13:22, "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."  If professed Christians today are gullible enough to trade in their faithful King James Bible for a demonic counterfeit like the NIV, then where will Christianity be 10 years from now? 
 

The Heresy of "Lordship Salvation" is Rooted in the NIV

The NIV teaches the damnable heresy of Lordship Salvation. The NIV has produced an generation of Lordship Salvationists who foolishly believe that a person cannot be saved without making Jesus Lord. Here's Romans 10:9 from the King James Bible, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Now here's Romans 10:9 from the perverted NIV...

“That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

The Bible never requires us to make Jesus our "Lord" to be saved, only trust Him as our Savior (John 14:6). Peter shows clear evidence of this when he professed, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" in Matthew 16:16. Peter never confessed "Jesus is Lord."  Rather, Peter received Jesus as the Messiah. Genesis 15:6 simply states that Abraham, "...believed in the LORD; and he (God) counted it to him for righteousness." Romans 4:5 plainly states, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." It is our faith upon Jesus as our Savior, because of the blood that He shed for our sins, that saves us (1st Peter 1:18,19). Making Christ the Lord of our life is a matter of Christian obedience; NOT Salvation. If one had to make Jesus the Lord of their life to be saved, then Lot, Samson, and Solomon would all be in Hell today. What about Ananias and Sapphira? What about the carnal Believers at Corinth? What about 1st Corinthians 3:15?

Hypocritically, Lordship Salvationists will quote Scriptures about being saved by faith alone; but then require people to have some outward self-righteousness to validate their faith. Clearly they are confusing the ROOT of a believer's faith, which Paul speaks of in Romans; in contrast to the FRUIT of a believer's faith, which is spoken of by James. For more information please read, "Are We Justified by Faith and Works?" The NIV is from Hell, which is exactly where the Lordship Salvation gang is headed. Yes, this means John MacArthur is going to Hell. Don't be deceived my friend, if you believe that you have to do as little as give a cup of water to someone to be saved, you will burn in Hell for all eternity. The blood of Christ is what takes our sins away (not just the death of Christ), and ANY self-righteous efforts on our part is a total rejection of Christ's work of redemption. 

Why would anyone use the NIV?
 

What Does the NIV, the Satanic Bible, and Gay Sex Have in Common?

According to Wikipedia.org, the New International Bible (NIV) is the most popular Bible version today. What Zondervan Publishers won't DARE tell you is that they are OWNED by Harper Collins, who also publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex. Doesn't it seem odd to anyone with a brain and a love for Christ that the world's largest Bible publisher (Zondervan) is owned by the same company, HarperCollins, that publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex." 

Every pastor and Christian using the NIV are supporting these demonic publications. Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation comes from same Greek manuscripts as does the NIV! The Jehovah's Witnesses' Interlinear Greek New Testament is based upon the corrupt Greek of Westcott and Hort, openly admitted in front of the publication. By the way, the owner of the exclusive printing rights to the NIV, Rupert Murdoch, was just made a Knight by the Pope. Murdoch had put the NIV under the same umbrella as the TV Guide, which he also owned.

This is unbelievable folks! Destroy your NIV. Why in the world would you want an NIV bible that removes the word "begotten" from John 3:16, says that Jesus couldn't grasp equality with God in Philippians 2:6, removes the name "Jesus" in 38 places, completely removes the word "Godhead" from the Bible, completely removes the word "sodomite" from the Bible, removes the word "hell" 40 times, and changes every mention of people "worshipping" Jesus to a mere "knelt"?  Thank God for the King James Bible!

Why would anyone use the NIV?  If you sincerely love the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God Almighty (John 1:1-3,14; 10:33; Colossians 1:16; 1st Timothy 3:16; Revelation 1:8), then you WON'T use the damnable NIV. I beg you not to simply throw your NIV away, lest someone else be cursed by finding it—rip it to shreds, and then throw it away!

[Ezra]

On 11/6/2016 at 1:19 PM, rikdegraaff said:

Which Bible is the most standard one in English??

The question should be *Which English translation is the most faithful, trustworthy and reliable Bible*, and the Authorized Version (King James Bible) comes out at the top. The *standard* versions are not trustworthy, and the details can be reviewed in other threads.

[Jayne]

You've opened a can of worms that gets opened on forums across the internet quite often.

You are going to get a wide variety of answers.

All I can say is that I read the ESV, the NASB, the KJV, the NIV, and the Holman.

[just_abc]

I am not familiar with the newer version/s of the NIV.... but the older version is a fairly reputable Bible. 

Thanks

Edited November 16, 2016 by just_abc

[HAZARD]

The N. I. V. INFECTION

 

By Pastor Dewey W. Williams (1995)   http://www.biblebelievers.com/williams_d1.html

[missmuffet]

I like the NKJV.

[Truth Hunter]

Personally, Douay-Rheims version 1899. Having said that, you bring up an important point. The Bible as being the Work/Word of God has had a lot of different versions. Anybody know why ?

[Melony]

@Rick dG: as a dutch man – you might be able to read this "modern german" bible versions...

Why have – new ones like: „Volxbibel“ (lokal german -Punk) – Jesus-Freak Version evolved??

 

@Tr hunter– trying to combind with your question:

Luther (500 y back) gave his reasoning - „dem Volk aufs Maul geschaut“ - look what people speak!

(so for some Punky- „Jesus-Freak“ movement this german author – than created a new bible version. / some of the tone I do find chalanging. So I do read this text – for some study reason)

So - peoples lokal vokabulary – plus some diligent work with best understanding of original greak (or hebrew) language. That can bring us to more than one translation – for every other language.