Civilwarbuff Posted November 7, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/30/1954 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Why would Michal, daughter of Saul and wife of David, have an idol in their household? I mean "no other gods before me" and "no graven images" immediately come to mind. Can anyone explain this? 13 Then Michal took the household idol and laid it on the bed with a cover of goat hair placed at its head. Then she covered it with clothes. (ISV) H8655 Original: תּרפים Transliteration: terâphı̂ym Phonetic: ter-aw-feme' BDB Definition: idolatry, idols, image(s), teraphim, family idol a kind of idol used in household shrine or worship Origin: pl. from H7495 TWOT entry: 2545 Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine Strong's Definition: Plural perhaps from H7495; a healer ; Teraphim (singular or plural) a family idol: - idols (-atry), images, teraphim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted November 7, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2016 Hi, brother. You and I must be members of the same two forums! LOL! I'll repeat here what I told you there this morning: To be frank, I'd be surprised if she didn't have household idols. The nation of Israel was wrought with idolatry - from Abraham to Malachi - the sheer volume of rebellion against God by engaging in idolatry is staggering. It's the whole reason the Northern and Southern Kingdoms were invaded and captured by Assyria and Babylon. Idolatry is one of the primary themes in much of the Old Testament. The things these Hebrew people, who KNEW better, did in the name of other gods is unfathomable. And it's all throughout the pages of the Old Testament. And we are no different today. We may not raise up Asherah poles, high places, or burn our babies to appease Molech, but we still commit idolatry by raising up sexual immorality as good and virtuous and by slaughtering our babies to appease our own god of self. The human race is and has always been a grossly idolatrous people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civilwarbuff Posted November 10, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/30/1954 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 It seems your post is more of an excuse for the idols.....I mean, Saul was annointed of God, Michal was his daughter and David was a man after God's own heart. How could any of them believe that having idols in their household was OK in Gods sight? Why Samuel did not condemn them is probably a whole 'nother thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill16652 Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 288 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 312 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 8:30 AM, Jayne said: Hi, brother. You and I must be members of the same two forums! LOL! I'll repeat here what I told you there this morning: To be frank, I'd be surprised if she didn't have household idols. The nation of Israel was wrought with idolatry - from Abraham to Malachi - the sheer volume of rebellion against God by engaging in idolatry is staggering. It's the whole reason the Northern and Southern Kingdoms were invaded and captured by Assyria and Babylon. Idolatry is one of the primary themes in much of the Old Testament. The things these Hebrew people, who KNEW better, did in the name of other gods is unfathomable. And it's all throughout the pages of the Old Testament. And we are no different today. We may not raise up Asherah poles, high places, or burn our babies to appease Molech, but we still commit idolatry by raising up sexual immorality as good and virtuous and by slaughtering our babies to appease our own god of self. The human race is and has always been a grossly idolatrous people. Lets not forget that money, tv, and so much else can also be a God and many make them so. Anything we put before God is an idol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 53 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,373 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,490 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 7:14 AM, Civilwarbuff said: Why would Michal, daughter of Saul and wife of David, have an idol in their household? I mean "no other gods before me" and "no graven images" immediately come to mind. Can anyone explain this? 13 Then Michal took the household idol and laid it on the bed with a cover of goat hair placed at its head. Then she covered it with clothes. (ISV) Did you read the entire chapter you are inquiring about ?. I think she did not make an idol, but an object to fool the servants or soldiers of Saul. She was protecting David from his pursuers. Maybe the theologians here can correct me or you sir can . 1 Samuel 19King James Version (KJV) 16 And when the messengers were come in, behold, there was an image in the bed, with a pillow of goats' hair for his bolster. 17 And Saul said unto Michal, Why hast thou deceived me so, and sent away mine enemy, that he is escaped? And Michal answered Saul, He said unto me, Let me go; why should I kill thee? I like the question though, as it commands the reader to go and read again the chapter or book to become reacquainted with the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thilipsis Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 149 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1963 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Rachael in Gen. 31 stole her father Laben's gods. Jacob knew nothing about It and when Laben caught up to them in Gilead she hid them. Apparently her and Leah had concerns about an inheritance and Laben considered them foreigners because of marrying Jacob. They were probably solid gold, covetiousness has always been an integral part of idolatry. Put to death whatever belongs to your earthly nature; Sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desire and greed. Which is idolatry. (Col. 3:5) The tenth commandment is , thou shall not covet. I sometimes wonder if its not the key to the other nine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 53 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,373 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,490 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, thilipsis said: Put to death whatever belongs to your earthly nature; Sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desire and greed. Which is idolatry. (Col. 3:5) Easier said than done in today's world, with all the instant videos and objects to allure and tempt even the sturdy christian believer. Nevertheless, the teachings and admonitions are there to protect and guide our lives to peruse holiness. Hebrews 12King James Version (KJV) 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 53 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,373 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 1,490 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2016 don't know why it did double post or duplicate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thilipsis Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 149 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1963 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, warrior12 said: Easier said than done in today's world, with all the instant videos and objects to allure and tempt even the sturdy christian believer. Nevertheless, the teachings and admonitions are there to protect and guide our lives to peruse holiness. Hebrews 12King James Version (KJV) 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Well with every ad designed to inspire desire it sure is easier said then done. Paul is explicit that the commandment not to covet provoke every kind of a covetous desire (Rom. 7). Don't covet other people's cars, spouses or homes. How many times do we do this just driving to work in the morning? We don't erect idols of silver and gold anymore it doesn't mean the equivalent doesn't exist in the common market place that seeks to enslave us all. Edited December 28, 2016 by thilipsis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2016 http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_samuel/19-13.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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