missmuffet Posted November 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, LadyKay said: They way I see it is it no body's business who or what I vote for. Especially if others are going to judge my faith by it. That is correct. Who you vote for is private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabby26 Posted November 12, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, GoldenEagle said: Think of how much the Democrat party has changed even in the last 20 years. The short answer is yes you can be a Democrat and a born again Believer. That is a different question all together. A much better question in fact. Understating why is a lot better than judging half the population in the USA. Don't you think? God bless, GE My intention was not to be judge and jury, but to wrap my head around their reasoning. If the Republican party no longer had a platform of being pro-life, and decided the Constitution really didn't matter anymore, and that I had to keep my religious faith in a closet, then I would leave that party. It is not the party I am wed to, it is the principles for which that party stands. 2 hours ago, ricky said: A lot of Christians who are Democrats look at the Democratic position on social programs and think they are more in line with Christs teachings on poverty. Here in the South there is still some older people who have never change from being Democrats since the 60s they may even vote Republican at the national level, but vote Democrats at the state and county level. On another note I have noticed that some are saying that support for open borders is a reason that Christians should not support the Democratic Party. While I disagree with open borders from a law an order standpoint, I am struggling to see how it is applicable from a Christian standpoint. As far as open borders is concerned, it does matter because those coming in illegally, for the most part, do not want to be American citizens. It seems to me that more and more of them want to "take back" what they perceive as their country. They desire anarchy and civil unrest to precipitate a civil war. They do not want to abide by our laws or Constitution. The underpinnings of our country are at stake which depend on being self-governed according to the laws enacted through our political process. "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." --John Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted November 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Davida said: Did I say I cared who you vote for? You should care who you vote for. I wasn't addressing you when I posted this. It was not meant to be taken personally. It was just a general statement. Meaning I think it is best not to talk politics with some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabby26 Posted November 12, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 4 hours ago, Davida said: Christians really need to be aware of the Policies and Platforms of their Political Party and not to chose a Party that is in direct contradiction to the moral conduct, values & ethics that GOD lays out to us in Bible scripture. This is why the general public disrespects Christians, because of seeing their lack of consistent conduct, ethics and morals. What is a Christian that supports abortion? What is a Christian that supports Euthanasia and assisted suicide? What is a Christian that does not support traditional marriage between a man & a woman as GOD ordained? What is a Christian that accepts homosexuals being ordained as Pastors? What is a Christian that agrees there are as many genders as anyone wants to declare? What is a Christian that accepts sexual perversion as a norm? What is a Christian that does not stand up for Israel? and on and on....THIS is the reason that Christians stopped garnering the respect of others- because they became just like others. No Salt - No Light. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 12, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, ricky said: On another note I have noticed that some are saying that support for open borders is a reason that Christians should not support the Democratic Party. While I disagree with open borders from a law an order standpoint, I am struggling to see how it is applicable from a Christian standpoint. From a Christian standpoint: Open (porous) borders are pretty much what we have in arizona now, under this administration. So far, what it has meant to us is drug cartels coming in and laying waste to southern arizona. Violent crime escalating because of it. Parts of my state is banned to us citizens because the cartels have occupied and taken it over. From a human perspective, porous borders has meant that the cartels have gotten populations of people on the reservations in southern and central arizona to run drugs. Many city politicians and law enforcement leaders in arizona communities have contracts out on them by the cartels, similar to what is happening in mexico. This no longer makes the news outside the state, but there is at least one kidnapping a day for ransom of families of mexicans immigrants (even those families who are us citizens) in the phoenix area as a result of porous borders. The victims are tortured and raped. In many ways, it is starting to look like columbia and the drug cartel infested areas of mexico. Make the borders even more open and this will escalate. There is no way I can as a Christian accept open borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky Posted November 13, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 508 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 216 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1985 Share Posted November 13, 2016 18 hours ago, ayin jade said: From a Christian standpoint: Open (porous) borders are pretty much what we have in arizona now, under this administration. So far, what it has meant to us is drug cartels coming in and laying waste to southern arizona. Violent crime escalating because of it. Parts of my state is banned to us citizens because the cartels have occupied and taken it over. From a human perspective, porous borders has meant that the cartels have gotten populations of people on the reservations in southern and central arizona to run drugs. Many city politicians and law enforcement leaders in arizona communities have contracts out on them by the cartels, similar to what is happening in mexico. This no longer makes the news outside the state, but there is at least one kidnapping a day for ransom of families of mexicans immigrants (even those families who are us citizens) in the phoenix area as a result of porous borders. The victims are tortured and raped. In many ways, it is starting to look like columbia and the drug cartel infested areas of mexico. Make the borders even more open and this will escalate. There is no way I can as a Christian accept open borders. But those are law and order issues. not really Biblical issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2016 Well, what a different question in the OP. When I was growing up, the stance Democrats held are about where the Republicans now are. Both the Dems and Reps have moved toward the left in my lifetime. Not all of what the Dems and Reps want are scriptural, so to me, it does not matter what they call themselves. What does matter is what they personally believe in their heart. Good luck in discussing all the issues each side stands for. Hope you plan on a long Q&A timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2016 4 hours ago, ricky said: But those are law and order issues. not really Biblical issues You mentioned open borders as a Christian issue ricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky Posted November 13, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 508 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 216 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1985 Share Posted November 13, 2016 1 hour ago, ayin jade said: You mentioned open borders as a Christian issue ricky. I think you should read my point again, I don't see it as a Biblical or spiritual issue, but as a law and order one, it you guys who seem to be raising it as a Christian one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted November 14, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 8:58 AM, ricky said: A lot of Christians who are Democrats look at the Democratic position on social programs and think they are more in line with Christs teachings on poverty. Here in the South there is still some older people who have never change from being Democrats since the 60s they may even vote Republican at the national level, but vote Democrats at the state and county level. On another note I have noticed that some are saying that support for open borders is a reason that Christians should not support the Democratic Party. While I disagree with open borders from a law an order standpoint, I am struggling to see how it is applicable from a Christian standpoint. 1 hour ago, ricky said: I think you should read my point again, I don't see it as a Biblical or spiritual issue, but as a law and order one, it you guys who seem to be raising it as a Christian one. The part I put in bold red is what I was responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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