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Given the far left radical values the Democrat party now espouses, there is no way a person who is a committed follower of Jesus can be a Democrat.

 

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2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Given the far left radical values the Democrat party now espouses, there is no way a person who is a committed follower of Jesus can be a Democrat.

 

 

I know that is NOT true, because some very spirit-filled ladies in my Bible study are Democrat.  We have decided not to talk about politics because their views are far different than mine.  I think as some have said, a lot of it is because of "social justice" point of view.  But for the life of me, I cannot understand this point of view.  To me, social justice is teaching someone to fish or to own a fish market rather than to wait for their "portion" every day.  Less regulation in every aspect of our lives would free us up to start businesses, hire workers, pay better wages and give to charities and churches to truly help the needy without the waste of the government.  I do believe they are misled and are walking in the path of sinners.  We need to pray for the blinders to be removed from their eyes.

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6 minutes ago, Dabby26 said:

I know that is NOT true, because some very spirit-filled ladies in my Bible study are Democrat.  We have decided not to talk about politics because their views are far different than mine.  I think as some have said, a lot of it is because of "social justice" point of view.  But for the life of me, I cannot understand this point of view.  To me, social justice is teaching someone to fish or to own a fish market rather than to wait for their "portion" every day.  Less regulation in every aspect of our lives would free us up to start businesses, hire workers, pay better wages and give to charities and churches to truly help the needy without the waste of the government.  I do believe they are misled and are walking in the path of sinners.  We need to pray for the blinders to be removed from their eyes.

Hmm no. Social justice is about forcing everyone who fishes to give up a portion of their harvest in order to give to those who do not want to fish. Social justice is about forcing those who fish to catch much less in order to permit others to have the govts give them fish. 

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On 11/11/2016 at 6:58 PM, Dabby26 said:

My born-again Christian friend and I got into a disagreement about the election results.  She is a lifelong Democrat.  To me, the two do not go hand-in-hand, and I cannot wrap my mind around it.  I really want to know what others think?  Am I wrong?

This begs the question do you know what all a born again Christian is?

Answer: one who believes in Jesus Christ.

Just about everything else we do or say or think or feel or even believe usually ends up in the same category of stupidity.

God had to make it that simple on account of us.

Which doesn't mean he did not have to hold his nose to save us (certainly me).

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6 hours ago, Dabby26 said:

I know that is NOT true, because some very spirit-filled ladies in my Bible study are Democrat.  We have decided not to talk about politics because their views are far different than mine.  I think as some have said, a lot of it is because of "social justice" point of view.  But for the life of me, I cannot understand this point of view.  To me, social justice is teaching someone to fish or to own a fish market rather than to wait for their "portion" every day.  Less regulation in every aspect of our lives would free us up to start businesses, hire workers, pay better wages and give to charities and churches to truly help the needy without the waste of the government.  I do believe they are misled and are walking in the path of sinners.  We need to pray for the blinders to be removed from their eyes.

The modern Democrat party promotes values that are in complete rebellion to the values and teachings of Scripture.   You cannot promote gay marriage, LGBT values, Evolution, etc. and claim that you follow Christ.   The Democrat party is really the party of sin.

So, if you believe they are misled and are walking in the path of sinners, how can they be committed followers of Jesus?  Your comments are self-contradictory in that regard.

Furthermore, you clearly don't understand social justice.    Social justice is rooted in socialism, not in helping the poor.   In social justice, poverty is viewed as an injustice.   If you are rich and I am poor, my poverty places a moral obligation upon you  to alleviate it.    So your money is not your money.  It's my money, too.   In social justice, all property is shared property. 

If you have 100 milk cows that you raised and fed so that you could profit from their milk production, social justice would demand that your cows are shared property and so the government will take 99 of your 100 cows and give them to 99 people who don't have a milk cow.   None of you can profit from having only one milk cow, but now everything is socially "just."  Social justice is about making everyone equal, even if it means that everyone is equally poor.  Poverty is only injustice if some people are not poor and others are.   If EVERYONE is equally poor, that's socially just.

Social Justice and socialism don't provide incentive to create jobs or better wages, because everything you do and the money you make is given to someone else.   You make $20 an hour, but are only allowed to keep $5 an hour.   You may have a great wage, but you have to share it with me, even though I am not working and don't want to work.  In social justice, you pay for me.

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Sure you can.

 

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It doesn't mean you are correct. But you can say or do or be anything and be a Christian (anything but an unbeliever).

A word of caution: taking this as a deliberate license to sin is a fool's gamble. God is very active in the individual lives of every believer. And if you want to find out just what God can and will do with his property (that's we who believe btw)... just try his patience on this.

You will never like the result. Never. 

But as to who and what you are when you believe in the genuine Jesus... nothing can disqualify you from that commitment (even if you wanted to change your mind):

John 10:27–29 (AV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

Jeremiah 32:40 (AV)
40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (AV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2:19 (AV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The half baked notions that people cannot be Christians and ______________ (fill in the blank) are from focusing on man(kind). True salvation is the focus on Christ alone. If he can't save us and keep us saved and it was up to us in the slightest... we'd all be doomed!!!

THAT is what the Law of Moses is all about. We CANNOT save ourselves or stay saved ourselves.

Drop the Mike.

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, JohnD said:

This begs the question do you know what all a born again Christian is?

Answer: one who believes in Jesus Christ.

Just about everything else we do or say or think or feel or even believe usually ends up in the same category of stupidity.

God had to make it that simple on account of us.

Which doesn't mean he did not have to hold his nose to save us (certainly me).

 

Of course, I do (know what a born-again Christian is), as you can see by my post above this one.  I know it is not a prerequisite for salvation, obviously! However, I do very much wonder what they are thinking.  If you think of everything the Democrat party stands for, it is mind-boggling to me.  I feel like they are standing on the wrong side of righteousness.  I feel frustrated that I am not able to get them to see that.  It is what it is, so I will just pray and hope they see the error of their ways!

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13 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

The modern Democrat party promotes values that are in complete rebellion to the values and teachings of Scripture.   You cannot promote gay marriage, LGBT values, Evolution, etc. and claim that you follow Christ.   The Democrat party is really the party of sin.

So, if you believe they are misled and are walking in the path of sinners, how can they be committed followers of Jesus?  Your comments are self-contradictory in that regard.

Furthermore, you clearly don't understand social justice.    Social justice is rooted in socialism, not in helping the poor.   In social justice, poverty is viewed as an injustice.   If you are rich and I am poor, my poverty places a moral obligation upon you  to alleviate it.    So your money is not your money.  It's my money, too.   In social justice, all property is shared property. 

If you have 100 milk cows that you raised and fed so that you could profit from their milk production, social justice would demand that your cows are shared property and so the government will take 99 of your 100 cows and give them to 99 people who don't have a milk cow.   None of you can profit from having only one milk cow, but now everything is socially "just."  Social justice is about making everyone equal, even if it means that everyone is equally poor.  Poverty is only injustice if some people are not poor and others are.   If EVERYONE is equally poor, that's socially just.

Social Justice and socialism don't provide incentive to create jobs or better wages, because everything you do and the money you make is given to someone else.   You make $20 an hour, but are only allowed to keep $5 an hour.   You may have a great wage, but you have to share it with me, even though I am not working and don't want to work.  In social justice, you pay for me.

 
 

I can say that because I know these people personally and I know their hearts.  It sounds contradictory to me as well.  That is why I brought up the topic in the first place.  I cannot wrap my head around it.  Thank you for your lesson on social justice and socialism though. 

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