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17 minutes ago, Salty said:

It doesn't require a rocket scientist to understand 2 Peter 3:10 about the elements of man's works being burned off the earth on the "day of the Lord" means end of this present world, and of course also the end of the great tribulation event Jesus taught. Any who struggle to understand that has stopped listening to God in His Word and instead listen to men's doctrines.

In 1 Thess.5 Apostle Paul was pulling from Isaiah about the "sudden destruction" to come upon the deceived there which say "Peace and safety".  That event he timed with the "day of the Lord" as do the OT prophets (Isaiah 13).

Nor does it require a brain surgeon to understand the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night" which both Paul and Peter which taught is the same metaphor Jesus used in Revelation 16:15 on the 6th Vial warning His Church still on earth to keep their garments lest they walk naked and in shame.

"day of the Lord" = sudden destruction upon the wicked on earth; the Armageddon event on the 7th Vial; end of the great tribulation; blowing of the 7th trumpet which is the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15; the Church gathered to Christ on His way to Jerusalem on earth. All those events occur on that final day of this present world.

 

Hello Salty,

Totally agree with you.

Now they seek to divide the literal Day of the Lord into Days of the Lord .. where will it end??????

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18 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

No, here's what I get when I assemble prophecy from more than one source:

  • War (on Terror) between North and South

     

  • The rise of the fourth terrible beast of a nation out of the “sea”

     

    • with ten Kings (Council of Ministers)

       

    • Little horn "hamstrings" three "Kings" to rise to power over the Beast of a Nation

       

    • Rebellion occurs

       

    • Opposition and exaltation

       

  • Covenant with many prevailed by the Roman ruler who will come

Those prophecies from the Book of Daniel must also align with what Jesus gave in His Revelation. The Book of Revelation is not pointing to the "another beast" coming from Rome. The idea that the coming Antichrist will be a Roman is an old Protestant Reformers belief of their day.

Per the beast statue prophecy in Daniel, all the previous beast kingdoms are together with the final beast of feet of ten toes, and they are destroyed together by The Stone there which represents Jesus' 2nd coming. That is pointing to the powers for the end in a "one world government" system for the end which the Antichrist ("little horn") will reign over. It will not be a pope. It will be a pseudo-Christ or false Messiah, the one which Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse that's to appear in Jerusalem, and which Paul said will sit in a temple there in Jerusalem for the end and proclaim himself God, and demand all bow to him as God (Matt.24:23-26; 2 Thess.2:3-4). Jerusalem is ground zero for the Antichrist's headquarters, not Rome, the difference being that anyone can 'dream up' the Antichrist working from some other place than Jerusalem, but those won't be aligned with God's Word which points directly to Jerusalem being the center of control for the end.

 

18 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:
  •  
  • Authority given (by God) to the beast of a man for one-half of the one 'seven'

     

    • He wages war against the Saints

       

    • We are to endure patiently (remember Rev 3:10 and John 17:15)

       

    • Temple w/ Gentiles 42 mos.

       

    • Rise of the false prophet with miracles and 'fire from the sky'

       

  • The “one” removed from the midst

     

  • Gog/Magog War - flash flood invasion of Holy Land

     

    • Armies surround Jerusalem - pitches his tent at the Holy Mountain.

The Gog/Magog battle of Ezekiel 39 is the Armageddon event that only occurs on the 7th Vial. It is timed with the "day of the Lord" destruction. That's when Jesus comes per Rev.19 to fight. Anyone who can read Ezekiel 39 in its simplicity can easily understand God is Who will fight that battle raining hail and brimstone upon that army coming out of the northern quarters, and that especially so His people know it will have been Him That did it, and not us. That is one of His main Messages there in Ezekiel 39. Your doctrine shows you align more with men's doctrines against that instead of keeping to that Ezekiel 39 Scripture.

Thus it is impossible for that Gog/Magog event to be at the middle of Daniel's symbolic final "one week" with 1260 days still to go. No, that event is set for the final day of this present world when Jesus comes.

 

18 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:
  • Midpoint Abomination - Setting up the talking image of the anti-Christ

     

    • Those in Judea flee / Remnant protected

       

    • Two laws which make the Great Tribulation the worst time ever

       

    • “Mikael" arises

       

    • Two Witnesses 1260 days - call down Wrath

       

    • Great Tribulation  - the Elect are persecuted

       

  • Sun/moon/star event Day of the LORD

     

    • Scrolling of the sky = sign of the Son of Man

       

    • Jesus touches down on Mount Zion

       

      • Jews flee through the cleft of the Mount of Olives

         

      • Mustering the 144,000 assembled on Mount Zion

         

      • 3 Angels fulfill the Great Commission / Warn the wicked

         

    • Jesus resurrects the Saints / Last Trumpet

       

      • Dead in Christ

         

      • Martyr's deeds will be remembered (Two Witnesses left behind)

         

    • Deliverance = Harvest Redemption / Gathering Elect from the clouds

       

      • Those who are alive and are left

         

    • Great Multitude arrives in Heaven out of the Great Tribulation

       

    • Books / Scroll opened with breaking of seventh Seal

       

    • First Trumpet fire and blood – 1/3rd of earth burned

       

      • Avenging Angels – supplying Blood and managing the Fire

         

  • Wrath of God following the Day of the Lord

     

    • Second Trumpet  - 1/3rd of sea to blood

       

    • Third Trumpet - 1/3rd of water bitter

       

    • Fourth Trumpet - 1/3rd of light struck

       

    • Fifth Trumpet Abyss opened 5 months torment

       

    • Sixth Trumpet WWIII - 1/3rdf of man killed

       

    • Seventh Trumpet

       

      • First Bowl - Sores on Man

         

      • Second Bowl - All sea to blood

         

      • Third Bowl - All water to blood

         

      • Fourth Bowl - Seared by heat

         

      • Fifth Bowl - Satan's kingdom in the dark

         

      • Sixth Bowl - Way for the King of the East - Battle at Armageddon

         

        • Jesus marshals the Remnant through perilous times

           

        • Two Witnesses die from Demon from Abyss

           

        • The Great Multitude and the 24 Elders rejoice in Heaven

           

        • Jesus and His army (144,000) go out to do battle

           

      • Seventh Bowl – Man of Lawlessness is undone:

         

        • end with desolations poured out on the Roman desolator

           

        • Victory at Armageddon

           

        • anti-Christ and false prophet captured

           

        • Two Witnesses arise

           

        •  Earth changing earthquake

           

        • Jews survive the earthquake in Jerusalem

           

  • End of the one ‘seven

     

  • First three beasts allowed to live a while

     

  • Atonement of Christ

     

  • Christ returns to Heaven

     

  • 30 day period

     

    • Sojourn to Mount Zion

       

    • Beast of a Man thrown into Hell – done away with entirely

       

    • Satan imprisoned

       

    • Martyrs made alive

       

    • Rewarding the Saints

       

  • 45 day period – Encampment Sukkot at Mount Zion

     

  • Establishment of Millennium reign of Christ

     

    • Saints rule the earth / Israel is at peace

       

  • Satan released at end of Millennium

     

    • Revolt of the nations / their destruction

       

  • Great White Throne Judgment = separation of the Sheep and Goats

     

  • Death and Hades destroyed

     

  • New Heaven and New Earth

 

And that's how I see it.

All means 'all that is applicable, or of the whole in context.'
Thus Zechariah 14:5 describes Jesus coming with all the 144,000 who are also described in Joel 2.
And the Last Day is the Last Day of the Church Age; it is not the last day of the one 'seven'.

Just as with most, you are looking at the order of Revelation's seals, trumpets, and vials coming to pass in the exact order John was given to see them and write them down, which is not the exact order they all occur.

As I have already shown, at Revelation 16:15 Jesus is still warning His Church on earth that He will come "as a thief", which of course means He has NOT come to gather His Church off the earth yet even by that 6th Vial. And then on the 7th Vial description, He reveals the day of battle with Armageddon which is when He comes to gather His Church and do battle at Jerusalem, ending this present world.

What literal 'date' Jesus comes on no man knows, so trying to infer anyone knows what date the "day of the Lord" happens is also irrelevant. It's the ORDER of the events we are given that we CAN know, even though we don't know what specific day it will be. And the order Jesus and His Apostles gave us for the "day of the Lord" is the final day of this present world, simply because the events to occur with that "day of the Lord" description as written, ends this present world.

 

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1 minute ago, Serving said:

Hello Salty,

Totally agree with you.

Now they seek to divide the literal Day of the Lord into Days of the Lord .. where will it end??????

Yes, doctrines of men are always easy to point out for one who sticks to God's Word as written in its simplicity.

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On 11/27/2016 at 0:57 PM, Marcus O'Reillius said:

 


4. The specific and unique signature sign heralding the Day of the Lord is also revealed by Jesus to John for the sequence of the Day of the Lord in the Seal/Scroll vision given to John:

 

REV 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Therefore, we can conclude that Day of the Lord happens at the breaking of the sixth Seal.
- The Day of the Lord is when we are gathered up as Paul said in Second Thessalonians.

 

Nope. Its all about the sun, moon,stars

Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The "Day of the Lord" is after the great tribulation pweriod

JOEL 2 [30] And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. [31] THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME.

Sun and moon stuff BEFORE the Day of the Lord

Joel 2:30-32 (KJV)
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

And look where we are a goin! Jerusalem. Mt.Zion. Not heaven
 

 

 


 

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On 12/4/2016 at 7:54 AM, Sister said:

Hi Wailing Wall

Ezekiel 37 is speaking of the "remnants of Israel" from all generations that will be brought into the 1000 yr kingdom.  Israel multiplied as the sand of the sea but only "a remnant of Israel" will be chosen.  These will make up the whole house of Israel.  The new Israel.

The remnants will be brought back "in the flesh" (because they did not partake in the first resurrection)

There's a lot more to that per God's Word. Compare what Apostle Paul said to the Church in Romans 9 quoting from Hosea 1, and then look at Hosea 1 who it was originally written about and to. When speaking about Christ's Church, there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. That distinction is only with those outside Christ's Church.

Also, look at what Jesus said in John 5:28-29 about the "resurrection of damnation". On the last day of this world He showed there He will resurrect both the just and the wicked from the grave. So there is obvious error in thinking that the only ones in resurrection bodies during Christ's future Millennium are of the elect Church. That John 5:28-29 Scripture is hard for many to accept as written; nevertheless, there it is.

 

On 12/4/2016 at 7:54 AM, Sister said:

Please note: 

Israel will multiply during the millennium because they are flesh.  They will have children.  The resurrected saints do not multiply, and can never die again, but those in the flesh do, they die blessed and will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection.

  Isaiah 65:20   There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isaiah 65:23   They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
 

  Isaiah 11:8   And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isaiah 11:9   They shall not hurt nor destroy in
all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

I don't interpret those specific Isaiah Scriptures literally in the flesh sense, but in the spiritual sense. The idea is that the only type of death for that time will be the "second death", i.e. death of one's soul and spirit at the Great White Throne Judgment when souls are cast into the "lake of fire". Until then, no soul will die during Christ's Millennium reign.

And the sucking child is about in God's future Kingdom there will no longer be things that hurt. The lion will eat straw like an ox.

 

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6 hours ago, Salty said:

I don't interpret those specific Isaiah Scriptures literally in the flesh sense, but in the spiritual sense. The idea is that the only type of death for that time will be the "second death", i.e. death of one's soul and spirit at the Great White Throne Judgment when souls are cast into the "lake of fire". Until then, no soul will die during Christ's Millennium reign.

And the sucking child is about in God's future Kingdom there will no longer be things that hurt. The lion will eat straw like an ox.

 

Salty

Firstly there is no difference between Jew or Gentile concerning serving Christ. 

In Christ, all are invited to receive salvation.  The same rules apply to all now, no divisions.  All to be accepted as one to obtain the same spirit., and same faith and same doctrine which Christ delivered.  All are invited to walk in Christ shoes ..therefore all these will be in the first resurrection, as there is no difference of race here. 

Whoever serves Christ, circumsizes his heart.  It's all about the heart now, not the race, concerning Christ.  You don't have to be a Jew anymore to be favoured by God.  I am sure you know this.

But the difference between the resurrection of the saints, and Ezekiel 37 is this;

The saints are "raised" to "spirit" at Christ's coming.

 1 Corinthians 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

This is called the "resurrection" where the saints receive their "change" and can not die anymore.  They have conquered death and receive their "inheritance" - the kingdom of God. All of heaven and earth is theirs now and they are "raised" into spiritual creatures, and are not flesh anymore.  They will be like the angels, can see God face to face, can travel fast, can be invisible, visible etc etc.  Lazarus was raised to a "natural body",...he died again.

 

Ezekiel 37

The remnants of Israel are from all generations.  They heard of their Messiah, but did not know him.  They did not walk in his shoes. They don't miss out however, because they are "brought back from the grave" but only in the flesh, not in the spirit, and this is their chance to know Christ.   They have not inherited all things yet, have not conquered death yet, but simply brought back to life to "learn" how to receive their inheritance.  They will be taught during the millennium by Christ and the saints.  After the 1000 yrs they get to "claim" that inheritance at the 2nd resurrection.  Then they will be raised to spirit, in a spiritual body.  There's a big difference.

The remnants of Israel will live inside the kingdom on earth, this is their "dwelling" and they will be ruled over and instructed by Christ and his saints.  Israel will multiply inside the kingdom, their children will be blessed this time.  Nothing will harm or destroy inside the kingdom, but death comes graciously, after a good fully blessed life.  On the outside are the "gentiles" who have survived Armageddon.  There wont be very many, but whoever is left will multiply, and a thousand years is a long time.  Israel will be a light to the nations because Christ is there.  Israel in turn will teach the gentiles.  Their ruling system will be set up so perfectly, and rulers will be reinstated amongst them, out of them, those of the flesh.

 

Job will be there "in the flesh"

Job 19:26   And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Ezekiel 37 is speaking of being raised in the flesh.  It's all about the flesh.  It's not the resurrection of the saints, but when the house of Israel is sifted through, and those chosen remants will keep Israel's name alive, but this time in truth.  Israel will be restored, and turned into a blessing and not a curse anymore. God will put his spirit in all of them, ...give them a spiritual heart in a flesh body, like what we have now, so they can work towards their inheritance, which they will receive, every one of them that is chosen to be brought back out of the grave and given their purpose for the millennium.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Sister said:

Salty

Firstly there is no difference between Jew or Gentile concerning serving Christ. 

In Christ, all are invited to receive salvation.  The same rules apply to all now, no divisions.  All to be accepted as one to obtain the same spirit., and same faith and same doctrine which Christ delivered.  All are invited to walk in Christ shoes ..therefore all these will be in the first resurrection, as there is no difference of race here. 

Whoever serves Christ, circumsizes his heart.  It's all about the heart now, not the race, concerning Christ.  You don't have to be a Jew anymore to be favoured by God.  I am sure you know this.

But the difference between the resurrection of the saints, and Ezekiel 37 is this;

The saints are "raised" to "spirit" at Christ's coming.

 1 Corinthians 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

This is called the "resurrection" where the saints receive their "change" and can not die anymore.  They have conquered death and receive their "inheritance" - the kingdom of God. All of heaven and earth is theirs now and they are "raised" into spiritual creatures, and are not flesh anymore.  They will be like the angels, can see God face to face, can travel fast, can be invisible, visible etc etc.  Lazarus was raised to a "natural body",...he died again.

 

Ezekiel 37

The remnants of Israel are from all generations.  They heard of their Messiah, but did not know him.  They did not walk in his shoes. They don't miss out however, because they are "brought back from the grave" but only in the flesh, not in the spirit, and this is their chance to know Christ.   They have not inherited all things yet, have not conquered death yet, but simply brought back to life to "learn" how to receive their inheritance.  They will be taught during the millennium by Christ and the saints.  After the 1000 yrs they get to "claim" that inheritance at the 2nd resurrection.  Then they will be raised to spirit, in a spiritual body.  There's a big difference.

The remnants of Israel will live inside the kingdom on earth, this is their "dwelling" and they will be ruled over and instructed by Christ and his saints.  Israel will multiply inside the kingdom, their children will be blessed this time.  Nothing will harm or destroy inside the kingdom, but death comes graciously, after a good fully blessed life.  On the outside are the "gentiles" who have survived Armageddon.  There wont be very many, but whoever is left will multiply, and a thousand years is a long time.  Israel will be a light to the nations because Christ is there.  Israel in turn will teach the gentiles.  Their ruling system will be set up so perfectly, and rulers will be reinstated amongst them, out of them, those of the flesh.

 

Job will be there "in the flesh"

Job 19:26   And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Ezekiel 37 is speaking of being raised in the flesh.  It's all about the flesh.  It's not the resurrection of the saints, but when the house of Israel is sifted through, and those chosen remants will keep Israel's name alive, but this time in truth.  Israel will be restored, and turned into a blessing and not a curse anymore. God will put his spirit in all of them, ...give them a spiritual heart in a flesh body, like what we have now, so they can work towards their inheritance, which they will receive, every one of them that is chosen to be brought back out of the grave and given their purpose for the millennium.

No need to lesson me on the resurrection according to our Lord Jesus and His Apostles, nor OT Scripture like Ezekiel 37, I'm well familiar.

 

You failed to address this of what Jesus said:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for
the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

 

I know it's a popular Church tradition to think Paul was showing in 1 Cor.15 that only those in Christ are changed to the resurrection body at His 2nd coming, but there is more even there which Paul taught, as he was pulling also from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory which includes the nations.

Isa 25:6-9
6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make
unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."
KJV

 

The actual Biblical truth about the resurrection on the last day is that the wicked dead are raised too, not just the alseep saints. Likewise all still alive on the earth at Jesus' coming will be changed to the resurrection body also. This present world of man in a flesh body will be over at Christ's coming. The only type of death remaining will be the "second death" as written in Rev.20. This is why Revelation 20 says nothing of people dying in their flesh.

Our Lord Jesus defeated death for all peoples, not just the Church. If this were not so there would be no future Millennium when those who erred will be taught doctrine and the difference between the clean and the profane (Isa.29:24; Ezek.44). Many will come to Christ during the Millennium and be joined with the 1st resurrection.

 

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John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for
the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

 

Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 showed us what the resurrection is, and with what kind of body it is about:

1 Cor 15:42-49
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
KJV

Is that ONLY about those in Christ when Jesus comes? NO!

 

Have the wicked not also borne the "image of the earthy" as we? Yes they have, which is about a flesh body, Paul's body of corruption or natural body.

Is there not a resurrection for the wicked dead also? YES, there is, as our Lord Jesus showed us in Scripture like that John 5:28-29 passage.

So what is the difference between the 'resurrection of life' and the 'resurrection of damnation'?

Our Lord Jesus showed us that also about those cast to the "outer darkness" at His coming (Matt.25; Rev.22:14-15). Those cast to the outer darkness at His coming means cast outside the gates of the holy city and not having right to the tree of life during the Millennium. Those will stand in judgment and are called 'the dead'. They are not literally dead in the flesh sense as we think of today's world. They will be dead in the spiritual still liable to perish in the lake of fire sense, which is the "second death" of that future time explained in Rev.20.

This idea Paul covered also in 1 Cor.15 about the wicked, pointing us to Isaiah 25 with that "death swallowed up in victory" quote, and in 1 Cor.15:53 in the Greek with 4 different Greek words:

1 Cor 15:53
53 For this
corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

Each one of those words in red is a different Greek word in the NT manuscripts. That change involves 2 separate changes, not just one. That is why there is an "and" conjunction in between.

"corruptible" = flesh body of corruption

"incorruption" = the spiritual body, or resurrection body

"this mortal" = our soul/spirit, as they are both attached together

"immortality" = eternal Life through the Blood of Christ Jesus

 

The "resurrection of life" = both the corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality through Christ Jesus, and can never die.

The "resurrection of damnation" = only the corruptible will put on incorruption, but will still be in a liable to perish condition in the lake of fire. These can still have their soul/spirit destroyed at the "second death".

 

 

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8 hours ago, Salty said:

No need to lesson me on the resurrection according to our Lord Jesus and His Apostles, nor OT Scripture like Ezekiel 37, I'm well familiar.

Hi Salty

I am only explaining the angle from where I am coming from.  It's for anyone else who is reading also.  Not to insult you.

 

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You failed to address this of what Jesus said:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for
the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

 

 

Yes this is true, all who have died will hear Christ's voiceAll have to give an account.  No one escapes this.  This is the point John is making, but in a condensed form. 

We know that there are two resurrections.  One at the coming, and the second after the thousand years (White Throne Judgement). 

Those dead not caught up in the first resurrection hear nothing until the 1000 yrs is over at the 2nd judgement.  Then they will hear Christ's voice (The Word of God) when he judges them according to the books.  If they are written in the Lambs book of life, they will be resurrected then, if not, lake of fire, the second death.  All will hear his voice at their appointed time.

 Revelation 20:5   But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection (below V6)

Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

2 different appointed times.

But the remnants of Israel are different.  They are chosen by election (not all).  All those who did not bow to the knees of Baal are reserved of Israel.  They come out of their graves when Christ returns, but they are not resurrected immortal, only back from the dead in their flesh, so they can multiply more children for the Lord to be raised in the 2nd resurrection.

 

Isaiah 66:8   Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

(The resurrection of the saints)

  Isaiah 66:9   Shall I bring to the birth (the resurrection), and not cause to bring forth? (Israel) saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

At the 1st resurrection, the remnants of Israel will come forth also, but in the flesh.  The womb is not shut yet, her other children are yet to come)

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The actual Biblical truth about the resurrection on the last day is that the wicked dead are raised too, not just the alseep saints. Likewise all still alive on the earth at Jesus' coming will be changed to the resurrection body also. This present world of man in a flesh body will be over at Christ's coming. The only type of death remaining will be the "second death" as written in Rev.20. This is why Revelation 20 says nothing of people dying in their flesh.

Salty

I don't know if I am understanding you correctly nor do I want to offend you or appear to have authority over a man.  This is just a discussion, board, so please don't take it personal. 

The scriptures don't show me this.  There is no order here?  It disagrees with Rev 20 and many other verses. 

When I showed you scripture saying that the child will live to a hundred whether blessed or cursed.  This is for real. This is happening during the millennium.  I was hoping you would really look into it.  Children will be born, and they will die after living a ripe old age.  Death has only been conquered for the resurrected saints, but the rest of the world whether Jew or gentile living during the 1000 yr reign, they will be flesh.  They are having babies!  They are teaching their children!  Knowledge covers the earth because the Word of the Lord is coming out of Jerusalem and spreading to all nations.  Truth now, no lies.  They take it or they leave it.  The fact is they have been given TRUTH, not lies.  Satan is locked up, he cannot do any harm, cannot contaminate the truth, but when he is released from his prison after the 1000 yrs, he causes war, and there is death again (Gog and Magog battle)  His armies start turning on each other, then they attack the camp of the saints.  They are attacking flesh, those inhabitants there inside the kingdom, not the holy saints, but the Jews.  He's doing it again.   Please explain?  ...

 

1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 Revelation 20:14   And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

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