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It seems there is SO much misunderstanding about the covenants.

The old covenant was the ten commandments, (THAT IS IT) so simple.  Gods moral standard.

The blood was spilt & ratified at the ten Commandments,

Nothing can be added or taken out of the covenant after the blood, it is the signed signature in blood .

All the other laws & regulation were not placed in the Arc.   That is why it is called the Arc,   of   (THE COVENANT) 

All the other laws relating to regulations & ceremonies, that includes ceremonial sabbaths with is completely different to the decalog Sabbath. It seems most are unaware of that or prefer to ignore it because it suits there theology to do away with the decalog.

The new covenant, I will place MY laws in there heart. Question,  what are Gods Laws? what were Gods laws? were they no good? did He make a mistake?was there anything wrong with the old covenant? NO answer

Hebrews Finding fault with THEM,  Hmm!  it doesn't say His commandments were Faulty. Psalm 19:7 the law of God is perfect, how can something be perfect &faulty at the same time.

So now He places His love & morality in our heart which was the ten commandments.

The ONLY new commandment Jesus gave. JN 13:34  love one & other as I have loved you. TRY that one.

Many say there are 2 new commands from or Lord.

Deut 6:5 You shall love the LORD with all your heart & all your soul & all your strength 

Leviticus 19:18 Love thy neighbour

How many time do we hear these 2 being miss quoted as Jesus new regulations, not to keep the 10 commandments. Jesus was asked what are the greatest of the commands & He quotes these 2 old testament statements, WHY, because the are love & on these HANG the law & the prophets. Hang means it encompasses the law it does not mean done away with. The Ten Commandments foundation is love.  (HANG!)  to hang a picture on a wall something has to support it & hold it in its proper place the picture cannot hang in space by itself. Similarly the ten commandments foundation is love, one cannot fulfil them correctly without love.

The Sabbath question will always get back to the Gods commandments & it is no more legalistic to hold to the 4th commandment as it is to hold to any of the other 9. Some of the arguments I hear against it the commandments are sadly a joke. 

 I even hear conflicting answers to why we go to church on Sunday, if any say there is biblical support for Sunday worship they are mistaken. As all major denominations to my knowledge concur with my statement.  So what it basically gets down to, just about all views are relating to the Sabbath in one form or another. 

The three major views Christians hold  are, 1/  the 10 commandments stand including the Sabbath

2/The 10 commandments stand but we only have to obey 9 excluding the Sabbath 

3/ There are no commandments. Why because it doesn't make sense to have the commandments & choose the ones you like , so the only possibility for this group is there are no commitment to the commandments. So its up to each individuals idea of, DO the right thing, & it sure varies, but the Holy Spirit told me I hear. He told the other guy & me also but they conflict? 

How many people constantly say it was for the Jews, when it was instituted at creation 2 thousand years before there was a Jew. So here's some logic that will fall on deaf ears for 4 thousand years it was critically important. Most of modern Christendom, say its not relevant, but on the new earth, Isaiah 66:23 its important again & we celebrate it once more? 

So why Sunday, It wasn't added before the cross. The Lords Day most will say, well 3 days to late. Nothing can be added after the cross, the covenant was sealed with His blood. Anything added after the cross is mans doing regardless of you saying it is in honour of the resurrection, its not biblical. someone changed it & the Catholic church says they did. Look it up. And the whole world wondered after the beast.

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Commandment keeping is great......it just doesn’t save.Faith plus nothing does.

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10 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

Commandment keeping is great......it just doesn’t save.Faith plus nothing does.

And going against Gods commands kills. Having FAITH in what God has set out as his standard & trusting in him saves. You can't do away with all & say believing in Christs finished work is all I need where is the repentance. James2:14  Whats does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works.

If you love me keep my commandments.   

God bless Brother

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Repentance comes from the Greek word “ metanoia”.Litterally, a change of mind.If one does not believe that Jesus was God in the Flesh, whose death ,burial and resurrection purchased their salvation, and then has a change of mind where he realizes that Jesus was in fact Who He said He was——the saving repentance that God demands has taken place.God ,as explained by Paul, gave those commandments to show you that you can’t keep them— we need a Savior.That “ standard” you point out is perfection.Only a fool would go down that road.The standard is impossible to obtain.Why not take another road for your salvation. One given by God    That can actually be realized by sinful men.As an added bonus it is also Biblical.Simply believe Christ died for your sins and rose from the grave.Do that and God will put His Spirit in you and then HE will attend to all that stuff you are worried about.Rest in what Jesus accomplished for our sake and then see what He can accomplish in your life.IF you trust Him.

 

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45 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

Repentance comes from the Greek word “ metanoia”.Litterally, a change of mind.If one does not believe that Jesus was God in the Flesh, whose death ,burial and resurrection purchased their salvation, and then has a change of mind where he realizes that Jesus was in fact Who He said He was——the saving repentance that God demands has taken place.God ,as explained by Paul, gave those commandments to show you that you can’t keep them— we need a Savior.That “ standard” you point out is perfection.Only a fool would go down that road.The standard is impossible to obtain.Why not take another road for your salvation. One given by God    That can actually be realized by sinful men.As an added bonus it is also Biblical.Simply believe Christ died for your sins and rose from the grave.Do that and God will put His Spirit in you and then HE will attend to all that stuff you are worried about.Rest in what Jesus accomplished for our sake and then see what He can accomplish in your life.IF you trust Him.

I'm sorry I was just quoting the bible

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10 hours ago, Riccardo said:

I'm sorry I was just quoting the bible

 

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On 10/13/2018 at 4:44 AM, WailingWall said:

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

 

You left out the next verse  :

Eph 2:15 NKJV     having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

and

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;  Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Rom 9:30  What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith;  Rom 9:31  but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.  Rom 9:32  Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

You are apparently of the old covenant.  We are of the new covenant ratified by the blood of Christ.

 Mat 26:28  “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins

 1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me

 2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

 Heb 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

We also have the guarantee of the Holy Spirit Who cries "Abba" Daddy in our hearts.

 Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

 Gal 4:6  And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

1Jn 3:23  And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

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 Act 20:7  Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

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5 hours ago, Willa said:

You left out the next verse  :

Eph 2:15 NKJV     having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

and

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;  Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Rom 9:30  What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith;  Rom 9:31  but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.  Rom 9:32  Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

You are apparently of the old covenant.  We are of the new covenant ratified by the blood of Christ.

 Mat 26:28  “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins

 1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me

 2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

 Heb 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

We also have the guarantee of the Holy Spirit Who cries "Abba" Daddy in our hearts.

 Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

 Gal 4:6  And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

1Jn 3:23  And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Jesus as in the examples you posted and in the New Covenant, he set aside the division of the world between Abraham and his seed in the Nation of the twelve trives and the rest of the world. 

He seperated the seed of Abraham not only in this life. But also in the life after they die. 

Reference to the Bossom of Abraham. 

By saying that God set Abraham apart from the rest if the World, and as a result we have "two kinds of people in the world", 

It is easy to understand that before God separating Abraham from the rest of the world we only had one people on Earth.  

Of course we had people who had their royalty to God before Abraham. 

Righteous people like Enoch before the flood and Noah before the  flood and after. 

But God did not start a Nation for himself from them...

He starter a Nation from the one he gave him imputed righteousness. 

Paul knew at some time and we also see it with Peter's vision at the Cornelius event, that the old two divisions in the world are no more. 

 to be more specific Jesus has cleansed the whole world. There is no more unclean people on earth, Jesus has done the cleansing. 

That there no more unclean people GENTILES, and CLEANED people JEWS. 

Paul and Peter....when they got this knowledge they should have stoped to refered to people with the terms of the old division. Gentiles or Jews.

Unclean, and clean...

But the needed to comunicate with the people who still continiun to walk in the old coultural set up. 

Thus even thought in the eyes of God there is no Gentiles-unclean, or Jews -clean, but only people who were in their sins and needed to believe in Jesus Christ. 

But the people had their own understanding and coultures and they continiun to walk in what they uphold as truth for them. 

Even the disciples who lived in Jerusalem or they had to deal with the Jews, or they had Jewish family , they had to keep the Jewish Customs just to be able to faction within that coulture. 

We see that Paul also undertood this, and at the begining opposed Peter and those from James, and that was for other reasons, their error of mandatory sircumsision. 

Paul later asked Timothy to be sircumsize and teach some of the Jewish customs, so they can fanction within the Jewisg culture, to be politicaly correct. 

To visit a Jewish Synagogue a man must put on the litle hat they give you. 

The same thing to visit a Moshe a man must take off his shoes and wash himself...

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Willa said:

Eph 2:15 NKJV     having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

and

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;  Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hello Willa, I'm not to sure what you are getting at here? 

It could be two possibilities seeing we are on a post about the Sabbath.

1/ You may be saying that the ordinances against us is saying it has done away with the Sabbath.   if so you are incorrect

2/ You may be saying that the ordinances are just that, the ordinances, and that has nothing to do with the decalog in the arc. the ordinances were placed on the side out side of the arc there is a very big difference.   

 

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