Heb 13:8 Posted December 6, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Take your time with this. I know it's a lot.. Rev 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 70th Week - If God put an end to sin at the end of the future 70th week, that would mean the New Earth would start right away. We would have to remove the 1000 years from scripture. Third Temple - Why didn't Paul use the word hieron to describe the temple in 2 Thess 2...John 2:14 (hieron), 2 Thess 2:3-4 (naos), 1 Seal - Crown translated wreath...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-first-seal-of-revelation-6/ 2 Seal - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-second-seal-of-revelation-6/ 3 Seal - In those days, oil and wine...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-third-seal-of-revelation-6/ 4 Seal - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fourth-seal-of-revelation-6/ 5 Seal - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fifth-seal-of-revelation-6/ 6 Seal - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-sixth-seal-of-revelation-6/ 7 Seal - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-seventh-seal-of-revelation-8/ 1 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-first-trumpet-of-revelation-8/ 2 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-second-trumpet-of-revelation-8/ 3 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-third-trumpet-of-revelation-8/ 4 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fourth-trumpet-of-revelation-8/ 5 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fifth-trumpet-of-revelation-9/ 6 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-sixth-trumpet-of-revelation-9/ 7 Trumpet - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-7th-trumpet-of-revelation-11/ 1 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-first-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 2 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-second-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 3 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-third-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 4 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fourth-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 5 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-fifth-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 6 Bowl - History lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-sixth-bowl-of-revelation-16/ 7 Bowl - Future lesson, symbolism...http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/revelation-16-7th-bowl-judgment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted December 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 897 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,621 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,821 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2016 14 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi JohnD, Yes the restoration of David`s tent/kingdom, I also believe, is forever. However it is only part of God`s restoration of authority under Christ in every realm. Now where do you get the idea of the `church age?` What do you mean by that? Scriptures? Interested, Marilyn. It's more detailed than this, but the time of Satan's binding ("the thousands years" in Greek is plural) in Revelation 20 ending in the Armageddon campaign which precipitates Jesus' return to earth (to defend Israel). I will have more time to expound on the texts in a day or so. Thank you for your patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 6, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,128 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Hi Heb, Did you miss what I wrote previously? I`ll post it here again. `I see what you are thinking, however we need to realise that the angel was speaking to Daniel concerning his people - Israel, & their holy city. Quite specific there. The transgression was National rebellion against God & the sins, (to make an end of sins) relates to the people of Israel`s individual sins against God`s law. This we know will change when He writes it upon their heart. (Ez. 36: 26 - 28) As to Paul not using the word `hieron,` you are quite correct, I believe, he used the word `naos` & thus the antichrist will set up his image in a different place than where the temple stood.` Now as to the word `soon`, Gk. word `tachos,` meaning speedily, in a brief space of time. So we see that there are things which when they come about, will happen in a brief space of time, speedily. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Heb, Did you miss what I wrote previously? I`ll post it here again. `I see what you are thinking, however we need to realise that the angel was speaking to Daniel concerning his people - Israel, & their holy city. Quite specific there. The transgression was National rebellion against God & the sins, (to make an end of sins) relates to the people of Israel`s individual sins against God`s law. This we know will change when He writes it upon their heart. (Ez. 36: 26 - 28) Underline: Thank you M. I agree the 70 weeks was concerning Israel.. Dan 9:25 "Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 4 hours ago, Marilyn C said: As to Paul not using the word `hieron,` you are quite correct, I believe, he used the word `naos` & thus the antichrist will set up his image in a different place than where the temple stood.` The antichrist is already here within the church. Naos is spiritual church, not physical brick. "Paul is telling us that he would pretend to be Christian in order to deceive the world, which lines up directly with the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope who pretend to be Christian." http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/antichrist-in-the-temple-deception/ 4 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Now as to the word `soon`, Gk. word `tachos,` meaning speedily, in a brief space of time. So we see that there are things which when they come about, will happen in a brief space of time, speedily. And that's when the seals, trumpets and bowls were fulfilled, in a brief space of time waay in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,128 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Underline: Thank you M. I agree the 70 weeks was concerning Israel.. Dan 9:25 "Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. The antichrist is already here within the church. Naos is spiritual church, not physical brick. "Paul is telling us that he would pretend to be Christian in order to deceive the world, which lines up directly with the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope who pretend to be Christian." http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/antichrist-in-the-temple-deception/ And that's when the seals, trumpets and bowls were fulfilled, in a brief space of time waay in the past. Hi Heb, On that note we disagree. Revelation is the culmination of all that God has revealed in His Word. It is Father`s unveiling of His precious Son to us in all His resplendent glory. And the Father said to His Son when He arose, "Sit at My right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1) The Lord Jesus is still at the Father`s right hand interceding & waiting for His enemies to be made His possession. (footstool). `Now this is the main point of things we are saying: we have such a high priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.` (Heb. 8: 1) As the Lord Jesus Christ is still at the Father`s right hand, we know that He has not begun to execute the judgments yet. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Heb, On that note we disagree. Revelation is the culmination of all that God has revealed in His Word. It is Father`s unveiling of His precious Son to us in all His resplendent glory. And the Father said to His Son when He arose, "Sit at My right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1) The Lord Jesus is still at the Father`s right hand interceding & waiting for His enemies to be made His possession. (footstool). `Now this is the main point of things we are saying: we have such a high priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.` (Heb. 8: 1) As the Lord Jesus Christ is still at the Father`s right hand, we know that He has not begun to execute the judgments yet. Marilyn. What proof do you see that the seals, trumpets and bowls are future. Any specific verse in Rev 6-16? Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this (2000 years later)?." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,128 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 7, 2016 22 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: What proof do you see that the seals, trumpets and bowls are future. Any specific verse in Rev 6-16? Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this (2000 years later)?." Hi Heb, Firstly we need to address your 2000 year later, thought. So, looking back in history, (2000 years) where do you see all the details of the Lord speaking to the 7 churches. Was each of those churches in close proximity to each other, all having a different trial? Ephesus - losing first love. (We can see that in history & in God`s word in Paul`s writings.) Smyrna - martyrs. Pergamos - teaching doctrines of demons, Thyatira - following Jezebel type prophetesses, Sardis - had a name `alive,` but really dead, Philadelphia - little strength but follow the Lord, Laodicean - lukewarm & ready to be spewed out of God`s mouth. So are you saying that all these churches were like this in John`s time? Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Heb, Firstly we need to address your 2000 year later, thought. So, looking back in history, (2000 years) where do you see all the details of the Lord speaking to the 7 churches. Was each of those churches in close proximity to each other, all having a different trial? Ephesus - losing first love. (We can see that in history & in God`s word in Paul`s writings.) Smyrna - martyrs. Pergamos - teaching doctrines of demons, Thyatira - following Jezebel type prophetesses, Sardis - had a name `alive,` but really dead, Philadelphia - little strength but follow the Lord, Laodicean - lukewarm & ready to be spewed out of God`s mouth. So are you saying that all these churches were like this in John`s time? Marilyn. Rev 1-3 comes before Rev 4:1. I'm referring to seals trumpets bowls in Rev 6-16. It's all past fulfillment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 265 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,128 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,461 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Rev 1-3 comes before Rev 4:1. I'm referring to seals trumpets bowls in Rev 6-16. It's all past fulfillment. Hi Heb, You are the one who said 2000 years later, Rev. 4: 1, so that must mean you see all those churches as presented 2000 years earlier. All I`m asking is for you to substantiate your points. How can we move on if the earlier points are not cleared up? regards, Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted December 7, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Heb, You are the one who said 2000 years later, Rev. 4: 1, so that must mean you see all those churches as presented 2000 years earlier. All I`m asking is for you to substantiate your points. How can we move on if the earlier points are not cleared up? regards, Marilyn. My point is that seals trumpets and bowls are all past events. Period . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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