Fran C Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Teditis said: I agree with that Fran... in the 2nd century the church was already referring to the Holy Scriptures, meaning the OT and the NT. By the 4th century they had what they referred to as the Bible... both were in existence before the RCC or Protestants. The Universal catholic church, as you call it, operated very differently than any church in existence today... history has led to many changes in what we have nowadays. I wish more people were aware of church history and held it with respect for all involved in it's rising up. Hi Teditis, I'm happy to meet people that know some basic history. I don't know a lot, but I know what you've said is true. Regarding how the church today operates differently, would require a thread of its own. When people speak about works as though they shouldn't even exist, I like to refer them to the didache which is dated about 90 - 140 AD. Probably closer to 90. John was still alive, most probably, when it was written. In any case, the first generation Christians were definitely still alive. Anyway, what matter who put the bible together? It's God's word. His word is for everyone and no one church can lay claim to it. They can only claim to have bound the books, but it does not BELONG to them. I came back to say that I very much agree with your last sentence. Also, that the early church fathers fought mightily for the beliefs we have today - for instance, that Jesus is God. Not a small matter! Fran Edited January 16, 2017 by Fran C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbitt Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 190 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/31/1950 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) The Methodists, The Episcopalians, The Lutherans, The Presbyterians, They have all changed over the years. I found a church bulletin to a Presbyterian church dated 1954. On the cover it said in large bold letters, "You must be born again". Would any of our mainstream churches dare do that today? Edited January 16, 2017 by White Rabbitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, White Rabbitt said: The Methodists, The Episcopalians, The Lutherans, The Presbyterians, They have all changed over the years. I found a church bulletin to a Presbyterian church dated 1954. On the cover it said in large bold letters, "You must be born again". Would any of our mainstream churches dare do that today? Hi Rabbit, Well what do you mean? THEY DON'T!!! I'm sorry I don't live in the states anymore. I'm rather horrified at your statement. I know of one big denomination that will not come right out and say this, ALTHOUGH THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE! But has every church changed? What about the Nazarene Church or the Assembly of God c hurch?? What else is there to preach, if not this?? Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I know of quite a few "mainline" churches that still hold to the true Faith... I'm at a loss to why some are not seeing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Teditis said: I know of quite a few "mainline" churches that still hold to the true Faith... I'm at a loss to why some are not seeing that? I agree. What is the one true faith? The Trinity Jesus is God Jesus saves us There's a heaven and there's a hell, make up your mind where you wish to go. Not much more, but plenty to expound on... Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 Quote Actually I kept emphasizing to the OP that we got our bible from the Holy Spirit THROUGH the Jews. Maybe Hoddie was unaware that all the apostles were Jewish believers not Roman Catholics Yown You sure have Brother,we all did...... Quote Anyway, what matter who put the bible together? It's God's word. His word is for everyone and no one church can lay claim to it. They can only claim to have bound the books, but it does not BELONG to them. FranC That is EXACTLY our point Fran,for the past umteen posts,lol It doesn't matter,it is Gods Word .....Amen! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Fran C said: Ezra, That's a really serious statement to make! WHAT truth do you think the mainline churches have abandoned? Fran, You could start by reviewing this article, then Google apostasy in the mainline denominations. https://carm.org/examples-apostasy-christian-church Let's take the promotion and condoning of homosexuality, and you could Google that also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_clergy_in_Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ezra said: Fran, You could start by reviewing this article, then Google apostasy in the mainline denominations. https://carm.org/examples-apostasy-christian-church Let's take the promotion and condoning of homosexuality, and you could Google that also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_clergy_in_Christianity Hi Ezra, I've been gone a long time I guess. Here none of this is accepted. (Italy). Also, in the Carm article, are those mainline churches? Or are they offshoots? I find this disturbing and have to digest it a little bit. Thanks for the info. Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 It seems to me that the Carm article was address problems within "offshoot" churches and then those in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran C Posted January 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 337 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 214 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Teditis said: It seems to me that the Carm article was address problems within "offshoot" churches and then those in the USA. Hi Teditis, As I said I don't like independent and off-shoot churches for these very reasons. Who are they accountable to ? No one! Also, I seem to understand that there are different Episcopalian churches, for example, that have broken away from the main church. There's a church I know of here near me that teaches that a person could be saved AFTER death. Did you ever hear of that? This is a very dangerous teaching. They're told that they get one last chance. Well....Let's see. I just died and am standing before an angel, or Jesus, and I'm asked if I want to be saved... WHO WOULD SAY NO AT THAT POINT!! LOL Fran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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