Why are my thoughts and my desires considered wrong?

[delade3]

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'? 

If ancient people who lived within a society of no schools and no STD'S were fine with living with a no 'set' standard of thinking and if sex came with no threats of contracting an STD, why is my thought of being such as them, free minded and free spirited, 'wrong'? 

 

We are living within a schooled and STD world today.  Those personal thoughts and feelings, today, may be just as not wrong as it were then, but there will be lots of friction within your life living with those 'ways' in today's times which have schools of thought and schools of medicine. 

[Jayne]

The reasons across the entire course of time as to why "free minded and free spirited sex" [in other words, having sex with who you want to and when you want to]  is not the right decision has absolutely nothing to do with sexually transmitted diseases or being "schooled" to think that way.

It's not about what you and I "think" and "believe are good", delade3.  Please understand that.

The Apostle Paul said that sexual sins are different from any other type of sin and he is right.  [Of course, he is right, God inspired him to say that.]

The devil knows that and that's why sexual sins are such a horridly pervasive thing and have been since the beginning of time. There is no new sexual sin under that sun that hasn't been here for centuries.  It just shows up in different forms and different contexts.

God didn't make the guidelines for sexual activity and the boundaries therein to rain on our parade or to frustrate us. 

Most everyone here - married or not - can sympathize with your frustration.  Please understand that, too.  But listen carefully.

Like most physical pleasures that are not in God's context or right for use, we try to abstain.  It might be sex out of God's context or porn or the cocaine high or drinking in excess to drunkenness or the over indulgence in the doughnuts, pies, and pizza.  All of those things and MORE give us physical sensations that we consider "relief".  But the relief is false.  That relief is truly only a sedative, but the sedative wears off - and the craving for what is bad for us comes back with full force and we have convinced ourselves through our poor behavior and altered our brains to believe that the only "relief" is the poor behavior and we participate again.

The devil is looking to "devour" us the Bible says and he's very good at convincing us that if we don't get that need met that we will suffer greatly.  AND his favorite arrow to sling at us is the one that convinces us that "It's not FAIR!!  Everyone else gets to indulge in that and seemingly consequence free!!  Why can't I?"

Once we get wrapped up in the pity party of "poor me!!", we are pretty much hooked into saying EXACTLY what you have said in your OP.  "Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'?"

I will leave you with this.  We know what God says about sexual activity - one man, one woman, united in him, one lifetime.

But did you know that secular psychology agrees with God [probably unknowingly].  Here a link to an article entitled, "Reasons To Not Fornicate Other Than 'God Said So'".

And note - the fear of STD's is not among those listed.  http://www.orthodoxwriter.com/2012/03/reasons-not-to-fornicate-besides-god.html


 

 

 

 

 

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good? 

Since God has an objective standard by which you can judge your thoughts, those which do not conform to that standard are wrong (no matter what you think).  So the smart thing to do is get in line with God's thoughts.

[Guest BacKaran]

And if you're not a child of God, you will be like those sinners who keep on sinning since it's all about your desired and wishes and happy thoughts, and that's in stark contrast to all that God stands for and is and wanted us to choose.

[missmuffet]

On 12/9/2016 at 8:27 AM, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'? 

If ancient people who lived within a society of no schools and no STD'S were fine with living with a no 'set' standard of thinking and if sex came with no threats of contracting an STD, why is my thought of being such as them, free minded and free spirited, 'wrong'? 

 

We are living within a schooled and STD world today.  Those personal thoughts and feelings, today, may be just as not wrong as it were then, but there will be lots of friction within your life living with those 'ways' in today's times which have schools of thought and schools of medicine. 

 When you give your life to Christ you also give away that old sinful way. That includes your sins in thought, word and deed. You are a new person. The Holy Spirit is then within in you.The Holy Spirit is your counselor and your conscience. I would recommend that you give Jesus Christ a thought. Pick up a Bible and get to know who He is and how your life and mind may be renewed if you ask Him into your life and ask for the forgiveness of your sins. Satan is well at work. And unfortunately many are his followers.

[Leonardo Von]

On 12/9/2016 at 2:27 PM, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'? 

·        “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.” (Prov 3.5-8).

 

Often our concept of good and evil is distorted.

 

·        “And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” (Luke 11.9-13).

 

We think we are asking for bread when, in fact, we are asking for stone to be a stumbling block. We think we're asking for fish when we're actually asking for a snake to get us completely curled up. We think we're asking for an egg when we're actually asking for something to poison us with harmful thoughts and feelings.

We complain about injustice, but we often get involved with what we should not. For example, let's suppose that in order to put food at home, someone decides to work at the bar with the excuse that they find no other job. If, tomorrow, a stray bullet hits him, he cannot hold a grudge against Jesus for allowing such a thing to happen. Now, what he hoped would happen in such a place (see Matt. 11:7-9).

This is not all. See what John says:

 

"We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is in the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

 

The biggest mistake we can make is to deceive ourselves. What do we expect to find in a world dominated by sin and Ha-Satan (see Mt 11: 7,8)? Since Ha-Satan is the prince of this world (John 12.31; 14.30, 16.11; Eph. 2:1,2) and everything has been given to him by man (Luke 4.6) why we still insist on believing in the world (and the worst: in the system that rules it)?

To illustrate this, suppose you decide to carry a cat. You can’t just pick it up. You must know their customs and tastes. Otherwise, he may scratch you and, if this happens, you can’t be grudge. After all, you knew he had sharp claws, as well as such a custom.

Likewise, since you know that the human being is sinful and evil (Jer. 17:5,9; Romans 3:9-18; 7:13-21), how is it possible that you are hurt when he fails you? As long as you insist on this inner charge (Rev. 12: 7-11), the Kingdom of Heaven can’t reach you (Matt. 6:10) and obviously you cannot see the supply of the Eternal in your life (Matthew 6:33).

May Jesus teach us to seek only in Him what pleases Him.

[enoob57]

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 10:27 AM, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'? 

If ancient people who lived within a society of no schools and no STD'S were fine with living with a no 'set' standard of thinking and if sex came with no threats of contracting an STD, why is my thought of being such as them, free minded and free spirited, 'wrong'? 

 

We are living within a schooled and STD world today.  Those personal thoughts and feelings, today, may be just as not wrong as it were then, but there will be lots of friction within your life living with those 'ways' in today's times which have schools of thought and schools of medicine. 

The person you were born with is alienated from the original intent of heart, mind, ways... ever notice how the things you desire to do are mostly harmful to your life?
The circle of life cannot be broken and still remain life... The circle has no begin and end!
Sin breaks the circle and is outside of life in what God calls darkness! Thinking they see but see not... thinking they hear but hear not... so is everyone that is born in sin. But the gift
of God 'IS' to renew everyone who comes to Him for reinstatement to life

John 14:6 (KJV)

[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Love, Steven

[simplejeff]

On 12/9/2016 at 10:27 AM, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong

Because TORAH (YHWH'S WORD) says so.  Not just you or your's,  but everyone's.

[Leonardo Von]

On 12/9/2016 at 2:27 PM, delade3 said:

Why would my own personal thoughts and my own personal desires be considered to be wrong if I think and believe that they are good?  Why are my 'goods' considered to be 'wrongs'? 

 

Brother, with all love in Christ, permit me to help you: you are wrong to create a world grounded in your truth and to insist on seeking someone who will accomplish the same. For starters, who said your concepts and values are true? And since those with whom you live are evil (there is only one, viz., The Eternal - Matt 19.17, Mark 10.18; Luke 10.18), how do you expect to receive something good from them? The only thing they can do for you is the evil that they have treasured in their hearts (Matt 12:34, 35). So the only thing they can do is consolidate the evil in your heart:

 

•    Whether co-operating so that you may conquer all the evils that you have harbored in it;

•    Or trying, of all ways, to take away your peace and to turn away from all that is good.

 

Believe: there is nothing good that can come to you from man (see James 1:16,17). Nevertheless, this does not mean that you should see all with evil eyes (Matt 6.22, 23). We have to accept the reality that all are bad, but also the reality that the grace of Jesus is much greater (Romans 5:20) to those who connect with Him (2Cor 3.1-3) and is always available to be used by Him to preach His Word (Mark 16:15).

Furthermore, remember what Jesus said: "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” (Matt 10:16)? This means two things:

 

1.     That we are going to meet evil people who hate us because we are not of this world (John 15:19).

2.     That it is useless to dispute with the human being, with the system, because we do not have the strength to overcome them. Nor it is to have, since we must be simple and harmless as doves so that Jesus has room to show His true righteousness (see James 1:20) and power. Not to mention that to win in heaven we have to lose here (Matt 10:39).

 

Brother, isn’t my intention offend you. Please, don’t get angry with me. My intention isn’t to criticize, but only to help.

May Jesus help us to deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him (Luke 9:23).

[existential mabel]

On 12/12/2016 at 1:15 AM, missmuffet said:

You are not a Christian? When you give your life to Christ you also give away that old sinful way. That includes your sins in thought, word and deed. You are a new person. The Holy Spirit is then within in you.The Holy Spirit is your counselor and your conscience. I would recommend that you give Jesus Christ a thought. Pick up a Bible and get to know who He is and how your life and mind may be renewed if you ask Him into your life and ask for the forgiveness of your sins. Satan is well at work. And unfortunately many are his followers.

well i must be quite unique then. as i still struggle  to give away that old sinful way. its a battle in the present tense   and i am filled with the Holy Spirit. i have read through the bible numerous times. and stay away from corrosive stuff like the Tv and other media sources including social media.