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n2thelight    787

Just want somebody to show where this chart is wrong,especially those who say the rapture and the 2nd coming are two seperate events

 

Matthew 24, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 are the same event
The following tables demonstrate very well that all three passages in the Bible that are referring to the second coming of Christ are precisely that. God never intended for His Word to be cryptic or some mountain of confusion where one or more passages are supposedly referring to the second coming and others to some supposed fictional secret rapture.

By comparing point by point in the following two passages, we can observe that both of the following two chapters are referring to the same event. Observe the perfect parallels below.

1 Thessalonians 4 1 Corinthians 15
4:16 - the Lord Himself shall come 15:23 - are Christ’s at His coming
4:14 - sleep 15:51 - sleep
4:16 - shout, voice, trump 15:52 - the trumpet shall sound
4:16 - dead in Christ shall rise first 15:52 - dead shall be raised

 

Now compare Matthew 24 with the above events using 1 Thessalonians since some erroneously teach that Matthew 24 is talking about the glorious second coming of Jesus, which they teach is a different event to the above chapters which they say refers to a secret rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4 and 5 Matthew 24
4:15 - coming (Parousia) 24:27 - coming (Parousia)
4:17 - clouds 24:30 - clouds
4:16 - shout, voice trump 24:31 - sound of a trumpet
4:17 - caught up together 24:31 - gather together
5:1 - times and seasons 24:36 - day or hour
5:2 - a thief 24:43 - a thief
5:3 - sudden destruction 24:39 - took them all away
5:6 - watch 24:42 - watch

 

As you can see, not only are these the same event and so parallel each other perfectly but are even in the same order. There are not two different aspects of the return of Jesus. There is only one second coming and the theory of a secret rapture with a second chance is just another deception of the enemy.

Matthew 24 1 Thessalonians 4 1 Corinthians 15
Jesus coming Jesus coming At His coming
Trumpet Trumpet Last trump
Angels gather saints Dead saints raised Dead saints raised
Angels gather saints Living saints caught up Living saints changed
Coming in the clouds Coming in the clouds Not mentioned

 

Why is the Second Coming important?

Belief in the return of Christ is important because it is exactly and clearly what the Word of God teaches. To doubt the reality of the second coming of Christ is to doubt the reliability and validity of God’s Word. Also, the return of Christ is important because He Himself promised it. If Jesus is wrong about His return, then how can we trust anything else that Jesus taught? The return of Christ is our hope and confidence that God is in control of all things and is faithful to His Word and His promises. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Titus 2:13.

http://www.the-second-coming.org/

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Marilyn C    5,285

Hi n2thelight,

You are comparing `apples & oranges.` The Matthew passages are spoken to Israel & concerns them. The Thessalonians & Corinthian passages are to the Body of Christ. Two different groups, with two different purposes.

Marilyn.

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n2thelight    787
28 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi n2thelight,

You are comparing `apples & oranges.` The Matthew passages are spoken to Israel & concerns them. The Thessalonians & Corinthian passages are to the Body of Christ. Two different groups, with two different purposes.

Marilyn.

My point was they happen at the same time meaning it can't be different.

Who is Israel?

Are you saying Israel does not make up the body of Christ?

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Marilyn C    5,285
3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

My point was they happen at the same time meaning it can't be different.

Who is Israel?

Are you saying Israel does not make up the body of Christ?

Hi n2thelight,

At the `catching away` of the Body of Christ, they escort the Lord to His throne in the third heaven where they rule & reign with Him, judging the world system & fallen angels.

At the second coming of the Lord TO the earth He will deal with the nations of the world & reveal Himself to Israel. He will set up His rulership through Israel & they will rule over the nations of the world (sheep nations), as God promised them.

God`s purpose is to restore rulership in every realm, the earth is only one of those realms. Israel is the promised rulership for that realm. The Body of Christ has been promised that they will have rulership with Christ in the highest realm, the third heaven, over all. Don`t let anyone rob you of your `high calling` in Christ as the Apostle Paul tells us.

regards, Marilyn.

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n2thelight    787
44 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi n2thelight,

At the `catching away` of the Body of Christ, they escort the Lord to His throne in the third heaven where they rule & reign with Him, judging the world system & fallen angels.

At the second coming of the Lord TO the earth He will deal with the nations of the world & reveal Himself to Israel. He will set up His rulership through Israel & they will rule over the nations of the world (sheep nations), as God promised them.

God`s purpose is to restore rulership in every realm, the earth is only one of those realms. Israel is the promised rulership for that realm. The Body of Christ has been promised that they will have rulership with Christ in the highest realm, the third heaven, over all. Don`t let anyone rob you of your `high calling` in Christ as the Apostle Paul tells us.

regards, Marilyn.

When you say Israel,do you mean the Jew's ?

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Rick_Parker    1,223
9 hours ago, n2thelight said:

My point was they happen at the same time meaning it can't be different.

Who is Israel?

Are you saying Israel does not make up the body of Christ?

No it does not. The Body of Christ is the Church, which is distinct from Israel. It contains both Jew and Gentile, which the Scriptures classify as a new race. But the Church (the Body of Christ) is only composed of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah and their personal Savior. Israel as a nation and it's people have not. The fate of the Church is different from Israel.

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MorningGlory    16,348

I don't know where you got the chart, N2thelight, but the Rapture  and the Second Coming are two separate events.  Jesus does not come all the way to earth when the Rapture happens; He calls his faithful to him in the air.  At the Second Coming He comes down to destroy the AC and his followers, judge those on the earth and establish His Kingdom. 

As shown here:

http://christianity.about.com/od/endtimestopicalstudy/f/secondcomingof.htm

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shiloh357    30,800
On 12/16/2016 at 0:33 AM, n2thelight said:

My point was they happen at the same time meaning it can't be different.

Who is Israel?

Are you saying Israel does not make up the body of Christ?

Israel is Israel.  The New Testament does not confuse Israel with the Church.   Israel is not the body of Christ in the New Testament.  Of the 71 times Israel is used in the NT, every single usage refers to the ethnic people of Israel.  "Israel" is never spiritualized in the NT to refer to the Church or Gentile believers or what have you.

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Ezra    9,807
On 12/15/2016 at 11:33 PM, n2thelight said:

My point was they happen at the same time meaning it can't be different.

Yeah, that would be like hitting the up and down buttons in an elevator at the same time. Outcome -- ZERO.

 

On 12/15/2016 at 11:33 PM, n2thelight said:

Are you saying Israel does not make up the body of Christ?

On 12/15/2016 at 11:33 PM, n2thelight said:

Who is Israel?

The descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- the 12 tribes. See Rev 7 and 14 for a glimpse of Israel. The Body of Christ is redeemed Jews and Gentiles until the Rapture.

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n2thelight    787
On 12/16/2016 at 11:09 AM, Rick_Parker said:

No it does not. The Body of Christ is the Church, which is distinct from Israel. It contains both Jew and Gentile, which the Scriptures classify as a new race. But the Church (the Body of Christ) is only composed of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah and their personal Savior. Israel as a nation and it's people have not. The fate of the Church is different from Israel.

How can you say Israel has not accepted Christ,when Israel is the Church?Why and how is Israel distinct from the Church?

Israel as a nation formed in 1948 were just Jew's,ie two baskets came back to form that nation state of Israel..The Jew's which consist of Judah and the bad figs which call themselves Jew's but are not

Where are the other 10 tribes?

They are the Christian nations of today,period,no ifs ands or buts!!!!

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