n2thelight Posted July 25, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) On 12/19/2016 at 11:24 PM, spiderman1917 said: Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this? satan is the antichrist and the majority of the world will think him to be Christ. Edited July 25, 2017 by n2thelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted July 25, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2017 Satan is not the "anti-christ" [the beast] but his mentor [Revelation 13:1-4] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: Satan is not the "anti-christ" [the beast] but his mentor [Revelation 13:1-4] The anti christ can be no one other than satan In Revelations 12: 9 we read:- “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil and Satan which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him. He's not coming here to possess a man but to do miracles in the sight of them. anti in the greek is instead of If you understood that there was an age before the one we're in now,it would be easier to understand... Here's a link if you care to look http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-first-earth-age.html Edited July 26, 2017 by n2thelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 On 7/25/2017 at 1:55 AM, n2thelight said: Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this? Yes, it is all by the will of God. But the AC is not going to be 'lovable and talented'. He is going to be powerful far beyond how the nations measure power. He will serve a critical mutual self interest, The Jews will get the Temple rebuilt and the AC will then get to the moment when he can sit in the Temple and declare himself God. The AC will not rise through the will or authority of man or any group of men. He will rise through the power of the dragon only. Much like Christ and His death and resurrection, the AC will also be subject to death and a resurrection under the will of the Father by the power he gives to the dragon for such an act. Look to the deserts of Mesopotamia for the rise of beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) On 12/19/2016 at 9:24 PM, spiderman1917 said: Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this? Purification of the church. Simple. The only agenda that matters. If people do not repent and confess and believe, and therefore be saved by the blood of Jesus and the power of God, they are cast into the lake of fire forever. It's merciful and good to pressure His people into changing their hearts and minds instead of sitting back and ignoring the impurity of His children. The beast is the purifying fire that god sends on the church, not unbelievers. Edited July 26, 2017 by Diaste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, Diaste said: Yes, it is all by the will of God. But the AC is not going to be 'lovable and talented'. He is going to be powerful far beyond how the nations measure power. He will serve a critical mutual self interest, The Jews will get the Temple rebuilt and the AC will then get to the moment when he can sit in the Temple and declare himself God. The AC will not rise through the will or authority of man or any group of men. He will rise through the power of the dragon only. Much like Christ and His death and resurrection, the AC will also be subject to death and a resurrection under the will of the Father by the power he gives to the dragon for such an act. Look to the deserts of Mesopotamia for the rise of beast. Wrong person in the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 I read your page and surprised at how detailed you think you have this figured out. Sorry bro, but you need to break out of this mindset consider how little you actually know about the end-times You've fallen for several BIG lies. Quote They fail to perceive that the Antichrist is not an individual, but a succession of individuals who preside over the one system. The anti-Christ isn't a sucession of individuals. He's ONE end-time person. I know who came up with this sucession of individuals or empires but it's bogus. Quote He must introduce a system of worship that is so close to the original that it is almost impossible to tell them apart. He must introduce a counterfeit. You seem to overlook somethig! Islam has a false god, a false prophet who supposedly ascended to heaven from 'God's Holy Place,' a false book, a false returning messiah, a muslim jesus, a coming anti-christ called the dajjal, and a false prophetic scenario very similsr to Christianity's. Not to mention Islam perfectly fulfills the definition of anti-Christ. AND. IT HAS GONE RIGHT OVER THE HEADS OF PEOPLE who promote a church going bad as the end-time beast! Another thing you disregard. The two horned beast is said to have, "two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." That simply means, two demonic horns similar to Christianity. The two horns are the two major sects of Islam. Muhammad began his religion after having visions and hearing voices in his head. After about 15 years, he had only about 100 followers. Then he began converting people by the sword. He tried three times to take out Mecca and finally did it on the third try. Muhammad died in his mid 60's. It really is impressive that 100 years after the religion began, Muhammadanism militarized enough to almost take out all of Europe. Had it not been for Charles Martel, it is said that all of Europe would have fallen to the Muhammadan armies and Christianity nearly blotted out. Quote He cannot do this by force, as people will be on to it immediately. Riiiiight....I know Christians are gullible, but this idea throws common sense right out the window. What makes you think that globally people will fall for such foolish feel good about religion stuff? You guys need to GET REAL! Quote In order to destroy the church, Satan tried with persecution through pagan Rome, but failing to lessen the growth of the church, he had to use more subtle methods. Introducing false doctrine he slowly but surely began to chip away at the foundations of truth until the people were believing a lie. Then they would be ready for the last great deception, and be led into false worship. God, Who sees the end from the beginning, warns us of this great counterfeit. Satan tries to destroy everything. Including you obtaining truth. Rome or the EU are powerless to accomplish this 'great deception.' Rome/false doctrine has ZERO to do with the end. It's all about ONE LARGE FALSE RELIGION. THAT'S WHAT BABYLON THE GREAT MEANS! Quote Here we see Antichrist promoting himself to a place of worship. What is the temple of God in the Christian era? It is the church. (1 Cor.3:16,17; 6:19; 2 Cor.6:16; Eph. 2:19-22). The temple of God ISN'T the church. Sometimes it means the soul of an individual. There are ways of determining whether the word 'temple' is used figuratively or literally. But what does the typical Christian on this forum care about simple hermeneutics. Quote Therefore Antichrist is placing himself in a position of authority and as an object of worship within the church. He is not on the outside attacking the church, he is on the inside deceiving it. Paul repeats his former warning in. What an outright blasphemous LIE! You've just doubble crossed Jesus Christ. You're a traitor to believe such demonic stuff is coming into the end-time church. It's people like you DESTROYING the credibility of Christ and who ultimately destroy the reasons why anybody would convert to Christ. It's no wonder that since Sept. 11 more people converted to Islam than Christianity. I'm sick of it. Quote The Antichrist who was to bring on the crisis of the mark of the beast at the end of time began forming and growing into power in those early days. John confirmed this saying in John 4:3.... "that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now is it in the world." Maybe quoting the entire verse would show people what the verse really implies! And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Maybe you should pay attention. Catholicism believes in Jesus Christ life, death, resurrection, and return. Islam says 'God has no begotten son' right around the octogonal structure of the mosque that 'sits upon' God's Holy Place! Which means we don't need a new religion, or a rebuilt temple to fulfill prophecy, it's already here! Quote Thus it is Satan who gives the beast its power, its seat (or throne) and authority. Bu this is not all. In reading Revelation 13:1,2 we are taken back to the 4th beast of Daniel, pagan Rome. The parallels between pagan Rome and the dragon, both in symbol and practice, is not a coincidence. And documented history reveals that it was pagan Rome, more specifically Emperor Justinian, that gave official approval to the popes in the 6th century to assume civil power in Rome. It was from this time that the Roman church began its venture as a church/state union, the typical and common characteristic of all pagan religions. Informed, but uninformed. Rome was considered the beast since the reformers because of crucifying Christ, the temples destruction, and persecution.. They're the ones who started this. Even then it was a bad guess at the whore of Babylon or the beast because Islam, even at that time, had already murdered more infidels than Rome BY FAR. NOT ONE person here has answerd my questions about this fourth beast being Rome! Not one person has answered my questions about this inclusive, united, global religion that's supposedly coming. NOT ONE! So I'll ask ONE MORE TIME! WHERE ARE ALL THESE THINGS FOUND IN END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY? Quote like the pagan emperor who granted the Roman church power in the 6th century, so also does this second nation give power and authority to this newly developed church/state union. Deception is surely a major factor contributing to the confusion and apostasy of Babylon. That's right, and you are right in the middle of it. You don't know the definition of either apostasy or Babylon. Quote Are not the abominations in the cup which she holds her deceptions and false doctrines? False doctrines? I know you desperately want to attribute this evil to your brothers and sisters and the Church of Jesus Christ, but it's absolutely disgusting. Ever think flying jet liners into buildingd, cutting peoples heads off including children, burning them alive, plucking the eyes and tongues out of priest and nuns, going into schools and shooting hundreds of children,.... AREN'T the abominations of the earth? Show me where false doctrine is implied in these abominations? Quote Through deception, he has the whole world worshiping the Antichrist, and the whole world believes they are worshiping God. The counterfeit system of worship is so beguiling, so attractive, and presents itself in such a loving, caring, compassionate, Christian way, that the entire world is deceived into accepting her, obeying her dogmas, following her counsel, keeping her man-made commandments. You make this sound like people will worldwide suddenly become religious and accept some religious system of peace and inclusivity. I don't think you realize a bit of what you're saying. It's just very impresssive to me that you and so many others believe this stuff and you don't have one scriptural leg to stand on. I keep asking and asking for scriptural evidence. I want you to show me WHY you believe what you believe. Is it because Don Koenig, Chuck Missler, John Hagee, or anyone else said so? Just what is it IN THOSE SCRIPTURES that you quote that makes you believe what you do? Quote According to most modern evangelists, Antichrist is yet to come. The scriptures however are very clear. Antichrist is here now, and hard at work drawing the world after him as you read these words. And true to form, and in fulfillment of prophecy, much of the Christian world is either in denial, deluded, or at best confused, as to the true nature of the beast which is before them. They see it, they even wonder after it marveling at her power and splendor, many praise it, countless millions obey her commands in direct contradistinction to the commandments of God, but very few perceive the true nature of it. The spirit of anti-christ was here shortly after Christ was born. That's all different than the men and Islamic beast who will soon launch the planet into tribulation and ultimately Armageddon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) On 12/19/2016 at 10:24 PM, spiderman1917 said: Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this? Same reason God gave Israel a king and Saul. The people cried out for a man to rule over them instead of God. After Saul the people were ready for David. If David came first the people had so much evil in them they would of martyred David cause they would be wanting a king that allows evil and extortion and injustice so they do not have to be corrected of wrongs. After a evil generation spend time under a king that turns evil on them they are ready to have a righteous and just king.. Edited July 26, 2017 by Reinitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 On 12/19/2016 at 10:24 PM, spiderman1917 said: Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this? He isnt going to be good in anyway. People will be calling evil good and good evil. He will tell them his evil intentions and people will say YES that is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted July 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, Reinitin said: He isnt going to be good in anyway. People will be calling evil good and good evil. He will tell them his evil intentions and people will say YES that is good. True. Without the absolute standard for good and evil as declared in God's word, the terms become relative and are based on each person's perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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