ZacharyB Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, woundeddog said: You don't have to make salvation so hard I am not the one who makes it difficult. Jesus has warned you about the narrow path. And Jesus is the One who has given you all of the copious dire warnings in the NT (which thou hast chosen to ignore/reject). Not me. "It ain't me, babe" ... to quote that infamous Nobel Prize winner, the Bobby Baby. If thou doesn't understand Jesus and the Holy Spirit, thou won't understand me either. Edited December 28, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: because they chose (via their free will) to HEED these copious warnings! Their heeding led them to obeying! ... or ... Their heeding led to their obeying! Paul says @ the end of Hebrews 3 ... disobedience proves UNBELIEF. so what is the dividing line between obeying and disobedience-- if one leads to salvation and the other leads to damnation can you tell be where the drop of point from salvation to damnation is??? since we know that man is sinful by nature he can not always be obedient-- at what point of disobedience does God say- " you are not good enough to get into my heaven"~~~ or could that be wrong and what the Bible says is right Ephesians 2:8-9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast it does not say by obeying you are saved~~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Jesus has warned you about the narrow path. Jesus meant the narrow path is by trusting him only for salvation--- the board path is to rely on your own ability to merit it by works , efforts, or religious traditions Jesus also said, " Come unto me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest"-- rest- that doesn't sound like constantly being worried you will step out of line and God will smash you like a bug~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: "It ain't me, babe" Zachary, are you absolutely 100 % sure you are going to make the cut and end up in heaven?? if so, what do you base that on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, woundeddog said: Paul says @ the end of Hebrews 3 ... disobedience proves UNBELIEF. so what is the dividing line between obeying and disobedience-- if one leads to salvation and the other leads to damnation can you tell be where the drop of point from salvation to damnation is??? since we know that man is sinful by nature he can not always be obedient-- at what point of disobedience does God say- " you are not good enough to get into my heaven"~~~ or could that be wrong and what the Bible says is right Ephesians 2:8-9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast it does not say by obeying you are saved~~~~ Eph 2 doesn't say it, but many others do! Must every passage contain all spiritual Truth? Please, give me a break. You MUST reconcile ALL of the NT passages to fit together! You were initially saved via God's free gift of grace through faith. Now, what are you going to do with this gift (because there are conditions attached to it)? This is the question the NT asks you. It is all about having the correct heart attitude. E.G. all of those many many born-again believers who are involved in habitual unrepentant sin do not have the correct heart attitude, and they are not on the narrow path to heaven! Unless they get their acts together and start walking in the Spirit (e.g. repenting of their sins) before they die, they're NOT going to heaven! Edited December 28, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Would anyone care to speak to this (that which Jesus spoke)? Revelation 21:8 ... ALL liars will be cast into the Lake of Fire Gee, I wonder if this includes born-again believers! P.S. we are talking about habitual unrepentant liars. Oh, you say, a born-again believer could never be doin' this! Edited December 28, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: before they die, they're NOT going to heaven! if as you state , they are not going to heaven-- then they where not SAVED and that would make God a liar----- I am sure you do not want to call God a liar---- again, you do not see what the narrow path is-- you are equating it with works-- which it is not 8 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Must every passage contain all spiritual Truth? Please, give me a break. no. but one verse will not contradict an other verse--- and what you are proposing doesn't contradict Ehph 2, 8,9--- but perhaps you are misinterpreting those verses you say offer a conditional aspect to salvation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Revelation 21:8 ... ALL liars will be cast into the Lake of Fire Gee, I wonder if this includes born-again believers! "if any man be in Christ he is a new creature-- old things have passed away and all thing have become new"~~~~~~ if a person is truly born again- he can not suffer Gods punishment and wrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, woundeddog said: Jesus meant the narrow path is by trusting him only for salvation Nope ... this does NOT line up with the 100+ dire warnings in the NT. These are saying the narrow path is what Paul warned about (that which you don't see, accept, believe, nor act upon) ... Romans 6 ... CHOOSE between being ... a slave of obedience ... which leads to righteousness, holiness, and eternal life, OR ... a slave of sin ... which leads to eternal death. The choice is yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted December 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, woundeddog said: "if any man be in Christ he is a new creature-- old things have passed away and all thing have become new"~~~~~~ if a person is truly born again- he can not suffer Gods punishment and wrath With this pile of nonsense, I bid you, "Adieu". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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