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2 hours ago, PageofGrace said:

Have you ever read C S Lewis?

why bother-- we have scripture

 

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If you ask me, all morality is subjective.
But consequences of actions definetly are not.

That's why not every ethical system is the same.

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On 7/20/2017 at 9:06 PM, Sammaiel said:

If you ask me, all morality is subjective.
But consequences of actions definetly are not.

That's why not every ethical system is the same.

Haven't been on here in awhile but I appreciate everyone's responses. Sammaiel I agree with your post that evert persons opions are subjective, without God there would be no defense for objectiveness. But your above post confused me. If all morality is subjective how can consequences be objective? Who is giving the objective judgement or consequence? If not God and not subjective people?. . . nature?

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On 04/01/2017 at 7:54 AM, woundeddog said:

a biblical response would be- Mankind has always know-- even though many outwardly deny it- that man is created in Gods image-- hence it is hardwired into our souls to watch out for each other

New to thinking about this subject I'll confess. Is morality not learnt from the bible if you're a Christian ?  Or does everyone think it's hard wired? Or both?  If both what's learnt and what's hardwired?

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On 6/27/2017 at 7:06 AM, Bonky said:

A standard of right and wrong with regard to what?  

Objective morality.  Those who reject objective morality don't live that way.

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6 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Objective morality.  Those who reject objective morality don't live that way.

So that I can better understand what you mean by "objective morality".   Can you end a human life and NOT commit an immoral act?   

I understand the definition "objective morality" but I have a hard time seeing how this is actually useful in real life scenarios.

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7 minutes ago, Bonky said:

So that I can better understand what you mean by "objective morality".   Can you end a human life and NOT commit an immoral act?  

Yes. Self-defense, when you have just cause to believe your life is in  danger, is not immoral.

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I understand the definition "objective morality" but I have a hard time seeing how this is actually useful in real life scenarios.

What would you do if I stole your identity and emptied out your bank accounts?

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46 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes. Self-defense, when you have just cause to believe your life is in  danger, is not immoral.

Ok so it sounds like intentions play a role.  Even then in this scenario we can find 2 people who disagree over whether deadly force was needed given a particular set of facts.  

50 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

What would you do if I stole your identity and emptied out your bank accounts?

Contact my bank.  Would I view your actions as wrong?  Yes.   

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23 minutes ago, Bonky said:

Ok so it sounds like intentions play a role.  Even then in this scenario we can find 2 people who disagree over whether deadly force was needed given a particular set of facts. 

Yes but that doesn't mean objective morality doesn't exist.   Objective morality doesn't depend on everyone agreeing that a given action is right or wrong.

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Contact my bank.  Would I view your actions as wrong?  Yes.   

But if there is no objective standard against which to measure right and wrong, there is no reason on your part to say my actions were wrong.   In fact, you have no right to say my actions are wrong.   And you have no moral right to seek justice of any kind against me in that kind of situation.

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59 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes but that doesn't mean objective morality doesn't exist.   Objective morality doesn't depend on everyone agreeing that a given action is right or wrong.

Ok but that's where I get lost, what is the utility in declaring an objective morality if it can't be clearly understood?  

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

But if there is no objective standard against which to measure right and wrong, there is no reason on your part to say my actions were wrong.   In fact, you have no right to say my actions are wrong.   And you have no moral right to seek justice of any kind against me in that kind of situation.

If you mean outside the human experience [my right to say you were wrong]  I would tend to agree with you.  Evidently it turns out I don't need to do that.

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