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On 1/3/2017 at 11:13 PM, Seanc said:

Before I submit this I want to say that I believe in an objective morality but I need help to further understand it before i even try to explain it to someone else. Anyone got an answer?

Only God knows "objective" standards, and there is only one - You are with God (part of the Trinity) or you are not.

As to human standards, all are subjective. Even when we think we know an objective standard, it is based on our limited understanding.

Look at our Law system.  Objective would be one hearing with one judge.  Objectivity is not available to humans. 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 5:35 AM, SkyWriting said:

Only God knows "objective" standards, and there is only one - You are with God (part of the Trinity) or you are not.

As to human standards, all are subjective. Even when we think we know an objective standard, it is based on our limited understanding.

Look at our Law system.  Objective would be one hearing with one judge.  Objectivity is not available to humans. 

God's written Word is objective as it comes and by it we know...

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10 hours ago, enoob57 said:

God's written Word is objective as it come and by it we know...

So there are no differences in differences or denominations in churches? 

I can't think of where that would be true that each person
gets the same understanding in their head.

Wouldn't that mean the epistles are not needed?

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 4:10 PM, SkyWriting said:

So there are no differences in differences or denominations in churches? 

We are talking about objective written format through proper hermeneutic guidelines for interpretation

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

people not willing to do the work practice subjective interpretation - I think it means ... what it means to me... I feel it says etc.  We give an account of ourselves individually before God but most do not bring themselves to this line drawn in His Word 'thus saith The Lord' .

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1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

We are talking about objective written format through proper hermeneutic guidelines for interpretation

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)

[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

people not willing to do the work practice subject interpretation - I think it means ... what it means to me... I feel it says etc.  We give an account of ourselves individually before God but most do not bring themselves to this line drawn in His Word 'thus saith The Lord' .

According to scripture, scripture is not that important. You have to wonder how anyone was saved
before scripture was written and circulated, especially before Jesus was born?

19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 

20For since the creation of the worldGod’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. 

 

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1 minute ago, SkyWriting said:

According to scripture, scripture is not that important. You have to wonder how anyone was saved
before scripture was written and circulated, especially before Jesus was born?

not that important !?

"Whoever rejects Scripture rejects Jesus. "

Before Jesus came,   the pagan gentile nations were lost, in darkness,  and without hope in the world. 

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3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

not that important !?

"Whoever rejects Scripture rejects Jesus. "

Before Jesus came,   the pagan gentile nations were lost, in darkness,  and without hope in the world. 

I guess you didn't read:

19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 

20For since the creation of the world

God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so thatmen are without excuse. 

 

That would be even before Adam wrote anything down. 

 

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9 minutes ago, SkyWriting said:

According to scripture, scripture is not that important. 

This is foolishness it shows a complete disregard for God and His Word... of which many will perish because of

Romans 1:21 (KJV)

[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

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5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

This is foolishness it shows a complete disregard for God and His Word... of which may will perish because of

I am quoting scripture itself.

20For since the creation of the world

God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship,

 so that men are without excuse.

So you see that the Bible is not the first or last word on the subject.
Even those who have never heard or seen the scriptures are without excuses.

God's Holy Spirit is available to everyone alive.

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2 minutes ago, SkyWriting said:

note the portion I quoted... that is where my comment lies

According to scripture, scripture is not that important. 


The Scripture you quoted doesn't mean what you think it does but is Pauline thoroughness saying even if no Scripture is available the creative work of God Himself is enough for every person brought into existence to know that God 'IS' and is held accountable by that. It is obvious that God 'IS' by what is here! The only thinking module 'evolution' is now so far debunked that anyone holding to it appears so foolish both scientifically and mathematical probabilities through chance evaluated! 

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