SkyWriting Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 74 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 1/3/2017 at 11:13 PM, Seanc said: Before I submit this I want to say that I believe in an objective morality but I need help to further understand it before i even try to explain it to someone else. Anyone got an answer? Only God knows "objective" standards, and there is only one - You are with God (part of the Trinity) or you are not. As to human standards, all are subjective. Even when we think we know an objective standard, it is based on our limited understanding. Look at our Law system. Objective would be one hearing with one judge. Objectivity is not available to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,789 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/6/2017 at 5:35 AM, SkyWriting said: Only God knows "objective" standards, and there is only one - You are with God (part of the Trinity) or you are not. As to human standards, all are subjective. Even when we think we know an objective standard, it is based on our limited understanding. Look at our Law system. Objective would be one hearing with one judge. Objectivity is not available to humans. God's written Word is objective as it comes and by it we know... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyWriting Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 74 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, enoob57 said: God's written Word is objective as it come and by it we know... So there are no differences in differences or denominations in churches? I can't think of where that would be true that each person gets the same understanding in their head. Wouldn't that mean the epistles are not needed? Edited November 6, 2017 by SkyWriting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,789 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/6/2017 at 4:10 PM, SkyWriting said: So there are no differences in differences or denominations in churches? We are talking about objective written format through proper hermeneutic guidelines for interpretation 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. people not willing to do the work practice subjective interpretation - I think it means ... what it means to me... I feel it says etc. We give an account of ourselves individually before God but most do not bring themselves to this line drawn in His Word 'thus saith The Lord' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyWriting Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 74 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, enoob57 said: We are talking about objective written format through proper hermeneutic guidelines for interpretation 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. people not willing to do the work practice subject interpretation - I think it means ... what it means to me... I feel it says etc. We give an account of ourselves individually before God but most do not bring themselves to this line drawn in His Word 'thus saith The Lord' . According to scripture, scripture is not that important. You have to wonder how anyone was saved before scripture was written and circulated, especially before Jesus was born? 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the worldGod’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, SkyWriting said: According to scripture, scripture is not that important. You have to wonder how anyone was saved before scripture was written and circulated, especially before Jesus was born? not that important !? "Whoever rejects Scripture rejects Jesus. " Before Jesus came, the pagan gentile nations were lost, in darkness, and without hope in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyWriting Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 74 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, simplejeff said: not that important !? "Whoever rejects Scripture rejects Jesus. " Before Jesus came, the pagan gentile nations were lost, in darkness, and without hope in the world. I guess you didn't read: 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so thatmen are without excuse. That would be even before Adam wrote anything down. Edited November 6, 2017 by SkyWriting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,789 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, SkyWriting said: According to scripture, scripture is not that important. This is foolishness it shows a complete disregard for God and His Word... of which many will perish because of Romans 1:21 (KJV) [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyWriting Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 269 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 74 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, enoob57 said: This is foolishness it shows a complete disregard for God and His Word... of which may will perish because of I am quoting scripture itself. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. So you see that the Bible is not the first or last word on the subject. Even those who have never heard or seen the scriptures are without excuses. God's Holy Spirit is available to everyone alive. Edited November 6, 2017 by SkyWriting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 6, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,789 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, SkyWriting said: I am quoting scripture itself. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. note the portion I quoted... that is where my comment lies According to scripture, scripture is not that important. The Scripture you quoted doesn't mean what you think it does but is Pauline thoroughness saying even if no Scripture is available the creative work of God Himself is enough for every person brought into existence to know that God 'IS' and is held accountable by that. It is obvious that God 'IS' by what is here! The only thinking module 'evolution' is now so far debunked that anyone holding to it appears so foolish both scientifically and mathematical probabilities through chance evaluated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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