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Obama’s Midnight Sneak Attack on the Second Amendment

Obama’s Midnight Sneak Attack on the Second Amendment

Ergo, as he heads out the door of the White House Obama's putting the finishing touches on a new policy that would deprive recipients of disability insurance and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) in addition to their Second Amendment rights. The administration will now characterize those citizens as "mental defectives," thereby having their ability to own a firearm subject to the federal Gun Control Act.

Supplemental Security Income helps blind, disabled, and elderly people with little to no income. Previously, it was understood that "mentally defective" referred to one's mental health.

 

Source: Obama's Last Parting Gifts

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18 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Is it fake news if it only tells half the story?  Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this.  The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. 

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On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said:

Is it fake news if it only tells half the story?  Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this.  The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. 

This is a tricky area of the law.  And it won't stand due to the Gray lobby in Congtess.  That being said, I have seen some old people who definitely should n0t have access to firearms.  I think that law would have to specify those with dementia, Alziemers, etc.  And with THAT being said, how often do we hear about an elderly person randomly killing someone?

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On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said:

Is it fake news if it only tells half the story?  Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this.  The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. 

would that just be the people who have thier money sent to a person who oversees their finances?

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NRA-ILA misrepresents the body of the full text that's available in their own link connected to the text that reads: issued the final version of the rule.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf


In the quote boxes below  is part of that rules text that refutes the PJ Media claim.

And the inference by NRA-ILA in the first part of their linked article. As they themselves in the last part of their own article imply that the first part of their own article isn't to be trusted as the final word.
But NRA-ILA is a huge money making lobby. Pressing buttons and promoting fear makes money for them. The frightened send cash in order to have the NRA-ILA take away the fear the NRA-ILA induced with false reporting. Neat career if you can live with yourself.


It should be noted also that this rule began under the presidency of George W. Bush.This is available to read in the summary on page 1 of the PDF. In part pasted here:

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These final rules implement
provisions of the NICS Improvement
Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that
require Federal agencies to provide
relevant records to the Attorney General
for inclusion in the National Instant
Criminal Background Check System

(NICS).

 

 

 

 

 

 

From page 2 of the PDF:

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We are not reporting information in
records based solely on a medical
finding of disability without the person
being adjudicated as subject to the
Federal mental health prohibitor
‘‘consistent with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(4).’’
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has
clarified through regulations that this
prohibition covers individuals who
have been determined by a court, board,
commission or other lawful authority as
a result of marked subnormal
intelligence, or mental illness,
incompetency, condition or disease to
be a danger to himself or to others, or
who lacks the mental capacity to
contract or manage his or her own
affairs. 4

 

 
 
 
 
Page 5 of the PDF Excerpt:
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Comment:
We received a significant
number of comments expressing the
view that we should not report certain
categories of people to the DOJ for
inclusion in the NICS based solely on
one qualifier. Commenters erroneously
expressed the belief that we would
report names to the NICS if they
belonged to any one of the following
categories: (1) Recipients of any type of
Social Security benefits; (2) recipients of
Supplemental Security Income (SSI)
payments or Disability Insurance (DI)
beneficiaries under the Social Security
Act; (3) senior citizens; (4) DI
beneficiaries for other physical, non-
mental disabilities; (5) DI beneficiaries
based on a mental impairment, but who
do not have a representative payee; (6)
have a representative payee for
retirement benefits but do not receive DI
benefits; (7) have a representative payee
but do not receive DI benefits because
of a listing-level mental impairment; or
(8) no longer receive any type of Social Security benefits


 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said:

Is it fake news if it only tells half the story?  Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this.  The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. 

Which is still just as wrong and is a ridiculous standard for determining their fitness to owning a gun.

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4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Which is still just as wrong and is a ridiculous standard for determining their fitness to owning a gun.

It is ridiculous. It is also untrue that those deemed unfit to manage their own finances are by this new rule deemed unfit to own a gun.

Fake news that misrepresents the truth of the rule as found in https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf  is wrong.

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23 minutes ago, soonsister said:

It is ridiculous. It is also untrue that those deemed unfit to manage their own finances are by this new rule deemed unfit to own a gun.

Fake news that misrepresents the truth of the rule as found in https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf  is wrong.

SUMMARY: These final rules implement provisions of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that require Federal agencies to provide relevant records to the Attorney General for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Under these final rules, we will identify, on a prospective basis, individuals who receive Disability Insurance benefits under title II of the Social Security Act (Act) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments under title XVI of the Act and who also meet certain other criteria, including an award of benefits based on a finding that the individual’s mental impairment meets or medically equals the requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments (Listings) and receipt of benefits through a representative payee. We will provide pertinent information about these individuals to the Attorney General on not less than a quarterly basis. As required by the NIAA, at the commencement of the adjudication process we will also notify individuals, both orally and in writing, of their possible Federal prohibition on possessing or receiving firearms, the consequences of such prohibition, the criminal penalties for violating the Gun Control Act, and the availability of relief from the prohibition on the receipt or possession of firearms imposed by Federal law. Finally, we also establish a program that permits individuals to request relief from the Federal firearms prohibitions based on our adjudication. These changes will allow us to fulfill responsibilities that we have under the

 

To add to this:  If you go back over the last year or so you will see the discussion on this and the ability to control your own money was clearly one of the points talked about.  What I said was not fake news in any manner at all.

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Why in the world would you want a person who is not mentally capable to handle a gun to have one?

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18 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

SUMMARY: These final rules implement provisions of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that require Federal agencies to provide relevant records to the Attorney General for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Under these final rules, we will identify, on a prospective basis, individuals who receive Disability Insurance benefits under title II of the Social Security Act (Act) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments under title XVI of the Act and who also meet certain other criteria, including an award of benefits based on a finding that the individual’s mental impairment meets or medically equals the requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments (Listings) and receipt of benefits through a representative payee. We will provide pertinent information about these individuals to the Attorney General on not less than a quarterly basis. As required by the NIAA, at the commencement of the adjudication process we will also notify individuals, both orally and in writing, of their possible Federal prohibition on possessing or receiving firearms, the consequences of such prohibition, the criminal penalties for violating the Gun Control Act, and the availability of relief from the prohibition on the receipt or possession of firearms imposed by Federal law. Finally, we also establish a program that permits individuals to request relief from the Federal firearms prohibitions based on our adjudication. These changes will allow us to fulfill responsibilities that we have under the

Thank you so much for adding that supporting excerpt to my prior observations. And from the PDF that I linked.

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