SavedOnebyGrace Posted January 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,027 Content Per Day: 16.64 Reputation: 5,187 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2017 Quote Obama’s Midnight Sneak Attack on the Second Amendment Obama’s Midnight Sneak Attack on the Second Amendment Ergo, as he heads out the door of the White House Obama's putting the finishing touches on a new policy that would deprive recipients of disability insurance and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) in addition to their Second Amendment rights. The administration will now characterize those citizens as "mental defectives," thereby having their ability to own a firearm subject to the federal Gun Control Act. Supplemental Security Income helps blind, disabled, and elderly people with little to no income. Previously, it was understood that "mentally defective" referred to one's mental health. Source: Obama's Last Parting Gifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Source: Obama's Last Parting Gifts Is it fake news if it only tells half the story? Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this. The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.13 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said: Is it fake news if it only tells half the story? Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this. The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. This is a tricky area of the law. And it won't stand due to the Gray lobby in Congtess. That being said, I have seen some old people who definitely should n0t have access to firearms. I think that law would have to specify those with dementia, Alziemers, etc. And with THAT being said, how often do we hear about an elderly person randomly killing someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,624 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said: Is it fake news if it only tells half the story? Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this. The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. would that just be the people who have thier money sent to a person who oversees their finances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 7, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2017 NRA-ILA misrepresents the body of the full text that's available in their own link connected to the text that reads: issued the final version of the rule. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf In the quote boxes below is part of that rules text that refutes the PJ Media claim. And the inference by NRA-ILA in the first part of their linked article. As they themselves in the last part of their own article imply that the first part of their own article isn't to be trusted as the final word. But NRA-ILA is a huge money making lobby. Pressing buttons and promoting fear makes money for them. The frightened send cash in order to have the NRA-ILA take away the fear the NRA-ILA induced with false reporting. Neat career if you can live with yourself. It should be noted also that this rule began under the presidency of George W. Bush.This is available to read in the summary on page 1 of the PDF. In part pasted here: Quote These final rules implement provisions of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that require Federal agencies to provide relevant records to the Attorney General for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). From page 2 of the PDF: Quote We are not reporting information in records based solely on a medical finding of disability without the person being adjudicated as subject to the Federal mental health prohibitor ‘‘consistent with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(4).’’ The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has clarified through regulations that this prohibition covers individuals who have been determined by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition or disease to be a danger to himself or to others, or who lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs. 4 Page 5 of the PDF Excerpt: Quote Comment: We received a significant number of comments expressing the view that we should not report certain categories of people to the DOJ for inclusion in the NICS based solely on one qualifier. Commenters erroneously expressed the belief that we would report names to the NICS if they belonged to any one of the following categories: (1) Recipients of any type of Social Security benefits; (2) recipients of Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments or Disability Insurance (DI) beneficiaries under the Social Security Act; (3) senior citizens; (4) DI beneficiaries for other physical, non- mental disabilities; (5) DI beneficiaries based on a mental impairment, but who do not have a representative payee; (6) have a representative payee for retirement benefits but do not receive DI benefits; (7) have a representative payee but do not receive DI benefits because of a listing-level mental impairment; or (8) no longer receive any type of Social Security benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/5/2017 at 4:10 PM, Out of the Shadows said: Is it fake news if it only tells half the story? Not everyone that gets SSI is affected by this. The new rule was made such that those deemed incapable of managing their own finances are now deemed not suitable for owning a gun. Which is still just as wrong and is a ridiculous standard for determining their fitness to owning a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Which is still just as wrong and is a ridiculous standard for determining their fitness to owning a gun. It is ridiculous. It is also untrue that those deemed unfit to manage their own finances are by this new rule deemed unfit to own a gun. Fake news that misrepresents the truth of the rule as found in https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, soonsister said: It is ridiculous. It is also untrue that those deemed unfit to manage their own finances are by this new rule deemed unfit to own a gun. Fake news that misrepresents the truth of the rule as found in https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-12-19/pdf/2016-30407.pdf is wrong. SUMMARY: These final rules implement provisions of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that require Federal agencies to provide relevant records to the Attorney General for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Under these final rules, we will identify, on a prospective basis, individuals who receive Disability Insurance benefits under title II of the Social Security Act (Act) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments under title XVI of the Act and who also meet certain other criteria, including an award of benefits based on a finding that the individual’s mental impairment meets or medically equals the requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments (Listings) and receipt of benefits through a representative payee. We will provide pertinent information about these individuals to the Attorney General on not less than a quarterly basis. As required by the NIAA, at the commencement of the adjudication process we will also notify individuals, both orally and in writing, of their possible Federal prohibition on possessing or receiving firearms, the consequences of such prohibition, the criminal penalties for violating the Gun Control Act, and the availability of relief from the prohibition on the receipt or possession of firearms imposed by Federal law. Finally, we also establish a program that permits individuals to request relief from the Federal firearms prohibitions based on our adjudication. These changes will allow us to fulfill responsibilities that we have under the To add to this: If you go back over the last year or so you will see the discussion on this and the ability to control your own money was clearly one of the points talked about. What I said was not fake news in any manner at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 Why in the world would you want a person who is not mentally capable to handle a gun to have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: SUMMARY: These final rules implement provisions of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 (NIAA) that require Federal agencies to provide relevant records to the Attorney General for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Under these final rules, we will identify, on a prospective basis, individuals who receive Disability Insurance benefits under title II of the Social Security Act (Act) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments under title XVI of the Act and who also meet certain other criteria, including an award of benefits based on a finding that the individual’s mental impairment meets or medically equals the requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments (Listings) and receipt of benefits through a representative payee. We will provide pertinent information about these individuals to the Attorney General on not less than a quarterly basis. As required by the NIAA, at the commencement of the adjudication process we will also notify individuals, both orally and in writing, of their possible Federal prohibition on possessing or receiving firearms, the consequences of such prohibition, the criminal penalties for violating the Gun Control Act, and the availability of relief from the prohibition on the receipt or possession of firearms imposed by Federal law. Finally, we also establish a program that permits individuals to request relief from the Federal firearms prohibitions based on our adjudication. These changes will allow us to fulfill responsibilities that we have under the Thank you so much for adding that supporting excerpt to my prior observations. And from the PDF that I linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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