soonsister Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Why in the world would you want a person who is not mentally capable to handle a gun to have one? I think a broad umbrella subjective judgment such as, someone not mentally capable, is an inroad to vacating the second amendment under suspect circumstances. For instance, if someone who was going through a very contentious divorce sought counseling so as to deal with that transition they'd have those counseling sessions appear on their record. Should that person then be deemed unfit to own a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, soonsister said: I think a broad umbrella subjective judgment such as, someone not mentally capable, is an inroad to vacating the second amendment under suspect circumstances. For instance, if someone who was going through a very contentious divorce sought counseling so as to deal with that transition they'd have those counseling sessions appear on their record. Should that person then be deemed unfit to own a gun? What about the person who has an anger problem and gets upset if someone cuts them off on the road. He gets angry and shoots at them. I see that in the news all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, soonsister said: Thank you so much for adding that supporting excerpt to my prior observations. And from the PDF that I linked. Your observations are wrong. Read this...https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/12.00-MentalDisorders-Adult.htm#12_01 coupled with this...https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.NSF/lnx/0200502020 And you will find that what I said is correct, that the inability to manage your own finances could cost you the ability to own a gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: What about the person who has an anger problem and gets upset if someone cuts them off on the road. He gets angry and shoots at them. I see that in the news all the time. That one that commits to road rage with the legal firearm they purchased before the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, soonsister said: That one that commits to road rage with the legal firearm they purchased before the offense? Yes, they are cleared to have a firearm but they have a short fuse. The other day there was someone who took their spot at the gas station and got out their gun and was threatening them. That stuff goes on all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Why in the world would you want a person who is not mentally capable to handle a gun to have one? Depends on how the government defines "mental illness." Stalin locked up political dissenters in asylums on the grounds that they were "mentally ill." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, shiloh357 said: Depends on how the government defines "mental illness." Stalin locked up political dissenters in asylums on the grounds that they were "mentally ill." Well there are those who the authorities can look up with previous offenses or they are labeled with a mental illness in the systems. But like I said there are those who do not have any previous problems and have a clear record to get a gun who have anger problems and use them to threaten anyone they are angry at and they use it inappropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: Yes, they are cleared to have a firearm but they have a short fuse. The other day there was someone who took their spot at the gas station and got out their gun and was threatening them. That stuff goes on all the time. That's an exaggeration of course. It does not go on all the time. Someone who threatens lives or takes lives in a road rage incident would be prosecuted. And if they were convicted of a felony the law makes for that convicted individual to be prohibited from owning a firearm. The issue here is the designate of , mentally ill. And the confines within which that diagnosis can be affixed to the individual citizen so as to vacate their 2nd amendment right. If someone with a temper is legally prohibited from owning a firearm then we're all in trouble. Starting with police. As is reported in the news when certain among their number wrongly discharge a firearm against the public. Not reported all the time . Just enough to make the prohibition of use of firearms able to blanket the members of the executive branch if the terms and conditions that would apply to the citizen public are equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, soonsister said: That's an exaggeration of course. It does not go on all the time. Someone who threatens lives or takes lives in a road rage incident would be prosecuted. And if they were convicted of a felony the law makes for that convicted individual to be prohibited from owning a firearm. The issue here is the designate of , mentally ill. And the confines within which that diagnosis can be affixed to the individual citizen so as to vacate their 2nd amendment right. If someone with a temper is legally prohibited from owning a firearm then we're all in trouble. Starting with police. As is reported in the news when certain among their number wrongly discharge a firearm against the public. Not reported all the time . Just enough to make the prohibition of use of firearms able to blanket the members of the executive branch if the terms and conditions that would apply to the citizen public are equal. There is always the first time and this happens a lot. It only takes once for a person to kill someone because they really lost their temper. There will always be opportunities for a person to get a gun not matter what your previous offenses have been. You just need to know the right person and have the right amount of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Well there are those who the authorities can look up with previous offenses or they are labeled with a mental illness in the systems. But like I said there are those who do not have any previous problems and have a clear record to get a gun who have anger problems and use them to threaten anyone they are angry at and they use it inappropriately. Those people could be the same way with a knife, a ball bat, a car, a rope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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