Daniel 11:36 Posted March 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2017 "There are no other scriptures about resurrections until after the tribulation is over [Revelation 20:4]" I believe that there is a resurrection just before the tribulation [1 Corinthians 15:20-23; 7:9-7:17] The tribulation then begins in chapter 6:12-17 and chapter 8 through chapter 19:21 Here are other verses that indicate the pre-tribulation event [Matthew 25:1-13; Romans 11:25; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3] Revelation has this grouping in heaven as the tribulation plays out upon the earth [11:1; 13:6; 17:14; 19:1-9; 19:14] Once over, this same grouping is seen in heaven and on thrones [Revelation 20:4] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, inchrist said: Michael can and does in the power of God. Paul also makes it clear that the spirit of antichrist was already on the earth. The early Church certainly did not have the power on earth to hinder Satan much, it was the other way around. Certainly the early church did not hinder Satan world wide. But they certainly plundered his kingdom wherever they went, healing the sick, driving out devils, and teaching the gospel. Over the centuries principalities and powers have been overcome, as the gospel entered new territory. A case in point is Africa: a hundred years ago, Africa was a very dark continent, spiritually speaking, but today Europe is much darker than Africa. You can believe Paul was speaking about Michael if you choose - but when you get to heaven you will find you were mistaken in this too, as in many other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, inchrist said: Which is way off with the wedding analogy. Hint is the two witnesses A multitude actually Where would you like me to start? Battle of jericho? Lot? Appointed feasts, wise and foolish virgins (matthew 24) ? The Parable of the Minas? Jacob, leah and Rachel? Rev 10:7? Rev 11? The day of the Lord? Matthew 24, Rev 2 and 3? There is no ressurection before the tribulation. I am sorry I asked. Jacob did in fact have to work an extra 7 years for the one He loved, so we find "Jacob's Trouble is a 7 year period of time. However, the marriage in heaven will come after that 7 years. The parable of the virgins does fit. I am convinced it is about the marriage as shown in Rev. 19. Some will be allowed in, while others will be locked out. Are YOU prepared with extra oil? john put the marriage and supper after the 70th week. Neither he nor God has given anyone the right to move it somewhere else to fit a theory. It is where it is, which is after the days of GT. This fits GOD's plan: it makes no difference if it fits or does not fit your theories. The truth it, the marriage and supper will take place JUST BEFORE Christ descends for the battle of Armageddon. As for a resurrection before the 70th week, all I can say is, if you choose to be left behind, and it is clear this is what you have chosen, I think God will accommodate you and you will be left behind. It will be silly to the extreme for any believer to be left behind, for God has declared that He has planned a way to ESCAPE what is coming. I am convinced God will leave ANYONE behind that wishes to see the Beast. Edited March 12, 2017 by iamlamad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, inchrist said: No you are not understanding Paul at all......Paul is quoting the olivet discourse. How is it you keep ignoring this? Christ tells you what the falling away is Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. And at that time many will fall away This is getting to the hilarious point! Did you not know that these letters to Thessalonians were written before any of the Gospels? James - 50 A.D. First Thessalonians - 52-53. Second Thessalonians - 52-53. Galatians - 55. First Corinthians - 57. Second Corinthians - 57. Romans - 57-58. Philippians - 62-63. Colossians - 62-63. Philemon - 62-63. Ephesians - 62-63. Luke - 63. Acts - 64. First Timothy - 65. Titus - 65. Second Timothy - 66. Mark - 66. Matthew - 67. Actually, Jesus is speaking of the church age. There have been many who have turned away over the centuries, but at the same time, many more have accepted Christ and entered the Kingdom. Sorry, but your theory fails once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 13, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, inchrist said: Where does it say they are to be exalted? Isaiah Shows Christ bringing sinners low not exalted. Hence "upon". Shall be upon those who have already exalted themselves before the day of the Lord...as the Lord alone will be exalted on his day bringing sinners low.....where on earth do you get the idea the antichrist will only come to be exalted in the Day of the Lord? He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. This is a different epoch...no where does it say in the day of the Lord. The antichrist and its worshippers are brought down low during the day of the Lord......NOT exalted UP on high anywhere in or during the day of the Lord. The antichrist can only be exalted before the day of the Lord where Christ is exalted alone on and during the day of the lord. Christ does no share his glory. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name Not two lords and not two names to be exalted one being Jesus and the other the Antichrist in/ during the Day of the Lord. Scripture has you thoroughly refuted. If you imagine the Day of the Lord to be one 24 hour period, you will always be wrong. The antichrist and its worshippers are brought down low during the day of the Lord. My point exactly: even in your theory when the day starts, the antichrist will be very proud. It will be DURING the day when He is captured. So your theory fails according to your own argument. My point is, it will still be IN the day of the Lord when the millennial kingdom is started. And my point is, those that are exalted will be brought down DURING the day. And really, there is no comparison between the Beast imagining he is God and the REAL GOD that IS GOD. One IS exalted, while the other imagines himself exalted. Always filter an Old Testament verse through the New Testament before forming a theory. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. My point is, this is his own imagination! He is only a man, while God remains God through it all. All he has is imagination and words to speak against God. And in reality it is the REAL EXALTED GOD that will give him 42 months of authority. If you imagine he is exalted during his reign of terror, which reign, by the way, will begin in Rev. 15, then you are forced by your own theories to put of the DAY until Rev. 19 and the Battle of Armageddon. I have heard this argument before: That the real Day of the Lord can only start when Christ returns: he brings the DAY with Him. It is a theory, but it does not fit the scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 13, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2017 8 hours ago, inchrist said: Paul "That day shall not come unless there come a falling away first..." Jesus "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name. And at that time many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many. And because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved." Paul ...and the Man of Sin be revealed, the son of perdition.... who sitteth in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God." Jesus "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand):" [Matt. 24:15] Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 Jesus in the Olivet Discourse 1. Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36) 2. …for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. (Matthew 24:43) 3. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark... (Matthew 24:37-38) …destruction will come on them suddenly, ...and they knew nothing about what would happenuntil the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:39) …as labor pains on a pregnant woman, All these are the beginning of birth pains. (Matthew 24:8) These are the beginning of birth pains. (Mark 13:8) …and they will not escape. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:35-36) 4. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. Be careful, or... that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. (Luke 21:34) But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. (Matthew 24:43) 5-6. You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come… If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. (Mark 13:33,36) 7. For those who sleep, sleep at night, If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch. (Matthew 24:43) …and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life... (Luke 21:34) For in the days before the flood, people were eating anddrinking... (Matthew 24:38) 8. But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen… (Luke 21:36) 9. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvationthrough our Lord Jesus Christ. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near… and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen. (Luke 21:28,36) Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. (Matth All you have shown is that you have no idea what Paul was really talking about. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. What is the "salvation" in verse 9? What is Paul's intended meaning? He tells us in verse 10: HOW do we get to "live together with Him?" He told us that in chapter 4: "... so shall we ever be with the Lord. " HOW will we get to live together with Him and "ever be with the Lord?" It will happen at the rapture: we will be caught up and from that moment we will forever be with Him. So Paul's meaning here: "9. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation" is that we are raptured out just before His wrath, and get to go to heaven where He will be. It will be FAR BETTER to be raptured out than be left behind. When Luke wrote, "pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen" this is the very way anyone can escape: get raptured out before His wrath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 13, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2017 17 hours ago, inchrist said: Did you not know Paul was in touch with the other apostles? You dont think they would of discussed the olivet discourse? You have already claimed Christ ignorant of understanding Daniels prohecy. Now you attempt to make Paul ignorant of the olivet discourse. Christ has refuted your position. the Gospel I preach is not from man; nor did I receive it from men, nor was I taught it, but Jesus Christ revealed it to me" (Gal. 1:10-12). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted March 13, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 13, 2017 Inchrist wrote, Of cause the antichrist is going to enter the day of the lord very proud, why else would Christ feel the need to bring wrath otherwise? So your argument fails - AGAIN! SO if even for ONE SECOND into the Day of the Lord, TWO are exalted. Just what you said cannot be. You have proven your own statements to be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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