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30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

OneLight wrote,

What Day are you talking about?  The Day of the Lord is His return, not the Rapture.

You put too much weight on the statements of those who do not believe when you are trying to determine the timing of the rapture.  I did notice that you continue to use the words "I think", which is good.  Continue your studies and more will be revealed to you.

You are mistaken: the day of the Lord is mentioned many times in the Old Testament and not one of them is about Christ's coming. it is about destroying the world and the sinners in the world. The trumpet judgments are very much a part of THE DAY and His wrath. I do not rely on others for my determination of when the rapture will be. It is my study alone. If one understands 1 thes. 5, they will know the rapture comes before the DAy of the Lord. I think many have a wrong view of "the day of the Lord." They assume Christ brings THE DAY with Him. No, He does not return to fight until chapter 19, after the 70th week has finished. But the DAY will begin right where John said it: at the 6th seal. So THE DAY is not His return and it is not the rapture. But the rapture will be the trigger for the Day.

Are we talking about the past or the future?  I am glad you are doing your own study!  To make this a shorter post then the rest, I will give you scripture to look up instead of quoting them.

Joel 2:28-32 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11, which points to the rapture from the NT.

There is also another example found in 2 Peter 3:10-13 which speaks of after the Great White Throne Judgment when the earth will be no longer, burnt up.

I will agree, taking all scripture into account, the Day of the Lord is whenever He does a might work.

 

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19 hours ago, OneLight said:

Are we talking about the past or the future?  I am glad you are doing your own study!  To make this a shorter post then the rest, I will give you scripture to look up instead of quoting them.

Joel 2:28-32 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11, which points to the rapture from the NT.

There is also another example found in 2 Peter 3:10-13 which speaks of after the Great White Throne Judgment when the earth will be no longer, burnt up.

I will agree, taking all scripture into account, the Day of the Lord is whenever He does a might work.

 

I hope you notice that the signs in the sun and moon from the Joel prophecy? It is fulfilled at the 6th seal.  But the 6th seal is NOT the fulfillment of the signs in the sun and moon in Matthew 24.

I think then, we agree: when God does something mighty and awesome, and is prophesied as the Day, whether He is or is not present, it is the Day of the Lord.

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On 06/01/2017 at 2:01 AM, Just a Mirror said:

Let me add some numbers which you can do with what you will.

Rosh Hoshana = Jewish Religious New Year = Feast of Trumpets = Pentecost

2016-2017 = 1     Rosh Hoshana in September 2017, 21-22, Th-Fr

2017-2018= 2      Rosh Hoshana in September 2018, 10-11, Mon-Tue

2018- 2019= 3     Rosh Hoshana in September/Oct 2019, 30-01, Mon-Tue

March 26th 2020= 3.5;  right after next election and inauguration in US.

2019-2020= 4     Rosh Hoshana in September 2020, 19-20, Sat-Sun

2020- 2021= 5    Rosh Hoshana in September 2021, 7-8, Tue-Wed

2021-2022= 6    Rosh Hoshana in September 2022, 26-27, Mon-Tue

2022-2023= 7    Rosh Hoshana in September 2023, 16-17, Sat-Sun

2024 Rosh Hoshana switches to Oct.

DISCLAIMER: READING BELOW THIS LINE REQUIRES AN OPEN MIND TO CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECTS.

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I will state here that the Rapture will happen, the catching up to be with Yeshua, will happen at the end of the 7 years.

These things will happen before that day......

The Seals are the Seals of Time.

The Times, Time, and half a time.

Time is 7000yrs

Times is two 3500yr periods

1/2 time is 1250 yrs

But each Times is divided again, making it into its own week of 7  times, or one of the 3500yrs TIME is divided by 7 TIMES. Therefore The 3500yr TIMES, turns into its own TIME or it becomes its own week. It becomes its own week of seven 1250yr time periods and soo on each successive division becomes its own week of times.

Think of it like a Pyramid, top teer is a 7, next teer is 2 3500 blocks, and soo on which the outside blocks on each teer are cutoff, due to the slope of the pyramid, which we could call mercy, or shortening of time/angling of a square block, cutting off some.

Soo if you knew EXACTLY when we exist, knowing that 7000 is the end point, you could know through math the exact date at which past people existed, and also future people through Word and prophecy.

Herein lies the problem, there seems to be a discrepancy in years, about 350 years, if we know the 1000 year reign of Christ is 1000 years,  but its the last 1000 years, meaning At the end of the last final years their will be an apocalyptic war that ends this CREATION.

That means that the 1000 year reign has to start around year 6000, but the Jews claim that this is year 5777, which means that we still have 233 years left before The Tribulation. Because creation has to end at the end of 7000 yrs, therefore the year 6000 has to be the beginning of the Reign of Christ, right?

Soo you have two choices...

1- The Jews have time WRONG.

2-OR Mercy and the shortening of All Time, to ease suffering due to Sin puts at 5777.

Which means say 5784 is the new 6000th year in the shortened 7000years. 323 years will have been removed from 7000 years due to Gods Mercy on Man. (maybe thats what 322 stands for in the masons?)

Know of course you will say that TIME will be shortened IN THE END TIMES. But you must realize that one action by God echoes through all TIME, but also each individual TIME under the original TIME equally, meaning an action taken in say the first time period, will happen in all other time periods at the same exact time. That does not seem like the randomness of the reality we live in, which means variables are present which hinder or further time at , once again at a random time.

Randomness is what we can call Chaos. UH-OH, look at that, that means that the fall of Lucifer caused Chaos BACK in to Creation. No Bueno.

Therefore that means that before Lucifer's fall, Chaos was held back by The Creators Spirit, which wherever it goes Order is made manifest automatically.

You see The Creator is apart of a much larger entity or body of The Unexplainable, for lack of a better word for the Totality of what we refer to as GOD.

But back to Chaos, chaos is an act of opposition, to time. Now, when God created everything He created, perceived time was optimal, now since the fall of Lucifer, time has been altered due to an influence of the randomness of its presence in the system.

Soo that means that God has to (in our perception) intervene in our lives through angels and faith in order to restore balance to Time. Which when it happens in our lives, its manifests as Love, Joy, Peace. Which when multiple people bring order into their lives, they reconcile time, and perfect time is where God resides. Those people make up The Time Keepers, The People, The Church, The Believers, we reside with God in His Time. You See?

Soo Since this Creation has been corrupted by Chaos, this Creation will pass away, and be left desolate of The Presence forever.

A New Creation will be started, you might look at it as moving into a new pool, a fresh start, what happens there is unknown.

Back to my original point, when are we in Time?

We are, where prophetic events say we are.

We are strengthened by fulfillment of Prophecy even though we already believe.

Soo if you want to know where we are in prophecy look around the world and match up the Signs with the Word.  Then take the Word placement to work out the Time you are in and how close to the next Sign and ultimately His return.

Leading to a Sequence of Operation, which tells you the Order of signs you will see in front of you.

The Seals. They are Seals of Time, Each Seal is a quantity of Time.

But also divided down they are seals of a small number of years, which in the bible are supposed to be 7. Yet it seems when you get to the Trumpets people seem to think they happen over the course of 7 years. which means We are not even close to the 5th trumpet soo you can stop with CERN opening a passage to the Bottomless pit, unless of course you see grass outside, which means the 1st trumpet has yet to sound.

Soo you read through the chronological order of Signs and Yeshua returns AFTER the anti-christ and false prophet are already ruling earth. Basically Christ Returns to wipe out the World System and its leaders and its followers.

That means What?

That means The Reaping happens the same day, right before The Wrath starts. The WRATH of God is what we're saved from, not the Anti-Christ.

The wedding supper of the Lamb constitutes The fulfillment of the number of the Martyrs, not a "raptured" Church.

(9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.)

You see When the 5th seal was removed the Martyrs of old were there, waiting on the Martyrs to come out of the Tribulation. The seals are Periods of Time, In the 5th Seal of time the Martyrs are revealed to be waiting for more martyrs.

But you may say "the one who restrains must be removed..."

Short answer, Michael is the one who restrains, Daniel tells us so.

(Daniel 12:1  And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.)

Soo as we can see a resurrection takes place, but it does not speak of the living, but we assume that this reference is the Return of Christ, which is the beginning of Wrath. Soo Michael stands up because he no longer needs to protect the people because those people, Gods people, have been removed.

All the Scriptures point to The anti-christs rule as pre-Wrath, its called The Tribulation of the Saints, not the tribulation of Lucifer.

This period of time will see Believers of Christ martyred on a mass scale. If you somehow make it through, you will then be Taken up right before God wipes out everyone "Left Behind".

The reason for the confusion is due to faulty teachers who have passed on a faulty teaching for soo long it seems to just be a fact now.

Let me add this though, people INNOCENTLY believe, because it feels good, not because its true.

Now let me add this.....

Matthew 5: 19  "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

I am not breaking any commandments for teaching these things and you are not for believing what you do, but the Word reveals Order.

I hope I have Given you something to think on.

Acts 17:10 "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. "

God bless you and reveal to you the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will know when the final 7 years begin because the Anti-Christ will take over the world and confirm peace agreements with many countries. 

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On 2/27/2017 at 3:06 PM, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

You will know when the final 7 years begin because the Anti-Christ will take over the world and confirm peace agreements with many countries. 

I am not sure these agreements or this agreement will be made known to the general public. However, all will know when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God. That will be at the midpoint.

 

I did not read very far into "Just a Mirror" post before I considered it nonsense.

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Great post

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I am not sure these agreements or this agreement will be made known to the general public. However, all will know when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God. That will be at the midpoint.

 

I did not read very far into "Just a Mirror" post before I considered it nonsense.

Well it says that he will confirm a covenant with many for seven years: 

Daniel 9:27

He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

And will subdue 3 of 10 leaders: 

Daniel 7:8 

"While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.

It seems that it will be easy to spot him as it also says he will be proud and boastful rather than doing things quietly in secret. Also it says he will be revealed after the a great falling away of the church that happens before he is revealed:

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

It also shows that the temple must be built by the time he stops the sacrifices half way through the final 7 years.

Daniel 12:11

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 

This shows that there will be 1290 days from when he stops the sacrifices half way through to when he finally sets up the abomination of desolation at the temple that Jesus also mentioned:

Matthew 24:15-16
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

This will be an image of himself: 

2 Thessalonians 2:4

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Revelation 13:15 
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

So this is when he proclaims himself to be God:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Then it says if you can wait just another 45 days you will be blessed:

Daniel 12:12

Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

This is when Jesus returns.

So yes, we will know when the 7 Years begins as the first thing we will see is the great falling away of the church and the Anti-Christ revealed.  

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8 hours ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

Well it says that he will confirm a covenant with many for seven years: 

Daniel 9:27

He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

And will subdue 3 of 10 leaders: 

Daniel 7:8 

"While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.

It seems that it will be easy to spot him as it also says he will be proud and boastful rather than doing things quietly in secret. Also it says he will be revealed after the a great falling away of the church that happens before he is revealed:

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

It also shows that the temple must be built by the time he stops the sacrifices half way through the final 7 years.

Daniel 12:11

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 

This shows that there will be 1290 days from when he stops the sacrifices half way through to when he finally sets up the abomination of desolation at the temple that Jesus also mentioned:

Matthew 24:15-16
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

This will be an image of himself: 

2 Thessalonians 2:4

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Revelation 13:15 
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

So this is when he proclaims himself to be God:

2 Thessalonians 2:4 
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Then it says if you can wait just another 45 days you will be blessed:

Daniel 12:12

Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

This is when Jesus returns.

So yes, we will know when the 7 Years begins as the first thing we will see is the great falling away of the church and the Anti-Christ revealed.  

Notice that there is NOT a  "from / to" type sentence there. There is no "to." There will simply not be time from the midpoint for 1290 days before the image is set up. I cannot believe that is the meaning intended. If we read down through the chapter, Daniel saw these terrible things happening, as in 12:1. Then someone asks someone else " How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?" So what is the beginning? Apparently it is 12:1 when the days of great tribulation begin. So my guess is the count is beginning at the midpoint of the week at the time the Beast goes on the rampage.

Then Daniel heard the answer:  " that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Again with our understanding, this count would begin at the midpoint and go to the end, as I read this. Notice, until "all these things shall be finished." I take the finished to be when Christ returns. He puts an end to the Beast.

But Daniel still does not understand. So he asks again: "what shall be the end of these things?"  Keep in mind, he is thinking of the ENDING with the beginning still being at the midpoint when the Beast begins his war against the saints.

Then Daniel hears: (remember, still about the ENDING) " from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Therefore, I take this to mean, from the beginning, from the time the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God (the very same day the abomination is set up) so that the daily sacrifices are stopped - from THAT DAY to the day when "all these things shall be finished" will be 1290 days.

So the FROM time comes from 12:1.  And from the time of the abomination. And from the time the Daily is stopped. (Daniel 9:27 tells us this ceasing of the daily sacrifices is what divides the week into two halves) So FROM the midpoint to the end of these wonders, will be 1290 days.

This tells me that the marriage and supper will take 30 days. So from the ending of the week at the 7th vial to the time Jesus returns will be 30 days. It is ONLY A GUESS. Jesus said no one will know the DAY or the HOUR. However, I think those that start expecting him 29 days after the 7th vial will be very close.

 

Perhaps those that are astute and sees three nations overcome rapidly, will think that could well be the man of sin who will turn Beast. I know verse 27 speaks of a covenant, but this may well be done in secret. In that case, one could guess when the 70th week begins by noticing the first few trumpet judgments. I don't think anyone on earth will know when the 7th seal is broken in heaven.

I am sure you are missing it on 2 Thes. 2. It is not meant to be a falling away; it is meant to be a very significant DEPARTING. Since the theme of that passage is the gathering, I am convinced the departing is for the gathering.  There are several reasons why this should be considered the correct rendering, and we can get into those later if you wish.

Perhaps the 1335th day will be the day the Millennial Reign officially begins.

 

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5 hours ago, inchrist said:

That group in Rev 7 is the 5th seal

That theory is myth. The group at the 5th seal are martyrs and are there in spirit and soul only. (it is before the resurrection). Stephen was surely one of that group.

On the other hand, those seen in Rev. 7 are not martyrs. There is not even one hint they have been murdered. Rather, they have been resurrected and changed as Paul told us would happen at the rapture.  John is seeing them just a few moments after their arrival in heaven after the rapture. They are the BRIDE of Christ.

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5 hours ago, inchrist said:

Really can you explain why we have the only evidence at the 7th trumpet for a literal ressurection? Can you also explain the sinners reaction to witnessing the first evidence to a literal ressurection at the 7th trumpet?

 

11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

The Seventh Trumpet

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

 

You are taking sinners to dectate the gospel to you in the 6th seal to be the wrath....I would rather take the words of an angel to dectate to me when the wrath begins at the 7th trumpet.

You are ignoring all the other proof that they know exactly what they are talking about. The trumpet judgements are very much a part of the Day of the Lord and that Day is also the Day of His wrath. Have you read about the DAY in the Old Testament?

12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,

14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,

15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,

16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.

17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.

18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.

19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;

21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

Rev, 6: 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

These are sister passages and the 6th seal will be the fulfillment of this prophecy of Isaiah.

Joel 1: 15 Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.

19 O Lord, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field.

20 The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

Rev. 8: The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

The first trumpet will be the fulfillment of this prophecy of Joel. It will probably be a nuclear war.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

The trumpet judgments do exactly this: they systematically destroy the land and destroy the sinners out of the land.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: the trumpet judgments are very much the start of the DAY OF THE LORD, to destroy the world and destroy the sinners in the world.

Therefore, when John wrote, "the day of His wrath has come" it is truth.  It does not matter WHO said it, it is truth.

How can you even imagine that God would kill 1/3 of earth's population in one trumpet judgment and it NOT be wrath? How can you imagine that God would destroy 1/3 of all salt and fresh water and it NOT be His wrath?

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11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Notice that there is NOT a  "from / to" type sentence there. There is no "to." There will simply not be time from the midpoint for 1290 days before the image is set up. I cannot believe that is the meaning intended. If we read down through the chapter, Daniel saw these terrible things happening, as in 12:1. Then someone asks someone else " How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?" So what is the beginning? Apparently it is 12:1 when the days of great tribulation begin. So my guess is the count is beginning at the midpoint of the week at the time the Beast goes on the rampage.

Then Daniel heard the answer:  " that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Again with our understanding, this count would begin at the midpoint and go to the end, as I read this. Notice, until "all these things shall be finished." I take the finished to be when Christ returns. He puts an end to the Beast.

But Daniel still does not understand. So he asks again: "what shall be the end of these things?"  Keep in mind, he is thinking of the ENDING with the beginning still being at the midpoint when the Beast begins his war against the saints.

Then Daniel hears: (remember, still about the ENDING) " from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Therefore, I take this to mean, from the beginning, from the time the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God (the very same day the abomination is set up) so that the daily sacrifices are stopped - from THAT DAY to the day when "all these things shall be finished" will be 1290 days.

So the FROM time comes from 12:1.  And from the time of the abomination. And from the time the Daily is stopped. (Daniel 9:27 tells us this ceasing of the daily sacrifices is what divides the week into two halves) So FROM the midpoint to the end of these wonders, will be 1290 days.

This tells me that the marriage and supper will take 30 days. So from the ending of the week at the 7th vial to the time Jesus returns will be 30 days. It is ONLY A GUESS. Jesus said no one will know the DAY or the HOUR. However, I think those that start expecting him 29 days after the 7th vial will be very close.

 

Perhaps those that are astute and sees three nations overcome rapidly, will think that could well be the man of sin who will turn Beast. I know verse 27 speaks of a covenant, but this may well be done in secret. In that case, one could guess when the 70th week begins by noticing the first few trumpet judgments. I don't think anyone on earth will know when the 7th seal is broken in heaven.

I am sure you are missing it on 2 Thes. 2. It is not meant to be a falling away; it is meant to be a very significant DEPARTING. Since the theme of that passage is the gathering, I am convinced the departing is for the gathering.  There are several reasons why this should be considered the correct rendering, and we can get into those later if you wish.

Perhaps the 1335th day will be the day the Millennial Reign officially begins.

 

Okay so we agree the sacrifices are stopped half way through the final 7 years, now lets look at Daniel 12:11-12 in more detail, this is from the Interlinear Bible:

'And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.'

Why would there be 1290 days be mentioned if the abomination was set up at the same time? There would be no need to state that there is a period of time if it was at the same time. Added to that we then see the is a further period of time that is between another two events, i.e. from the abomination being set up at the temple and the blessing for those who wait. This 45 day period is for those who refuse to take the mark in Jerusalem but choose to wait 45 days for Jesus to return (whenever that is).   

Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 

Edited by When Is Jesus Coming?
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