justme007 Posted May 16, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 140 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 47 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2017 13 hours ago, Allroses48 said: Certain things about evolution can be disproved but an old earth cannot. There are a lot of old earth creationists, i'm one of them for example. Careful examination of The Bible leads many believers to become old earth creationists. it is so sad to see The Bible misinterpreted, which happens so often unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/15/2017 at 0:21 PM, Allroses48 said: Certain things about evolution can be disproved... 1. 'evolution' doesn't and NEVER Existed!! I'll show you... a. 'evolution' What's that...?? Define evolution...? b. Post the Scientific Theory of evolution...? c. Post just TWO Formal Scientific Hypotheses then *Experiments* that concretized it into a REAL Scientific Theory...? d. Post the Null Hypotheses that were Rejected/Falsified for each...? e. Highlight The Independent Variables used in Each TEST...? Quote but an old earth cannot. Really?? Hmm...Please "Scientifically Validate" the Age of the Earth... a. What Phenomenon was Observed...? b. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...? c. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...? d. Post The Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...? regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/16/2017 at 2:08 AM, justme007 said: There are a lot of old earth creationists, i'm one of them for example. How many? Why? Quote Careful examination of The Bible leads many believers to become old earth creationists. Post the Scriptures...? Quote it is so sad to see The Bible misinterpreted, which happens so often unfortunately. We're gonna see. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 You said you could disprove it Enoch but you're asking me to do all the work for you. 4 hours ago, Enoch2021 said: 1. 'evolution' doesn't and NEVER Existed!! I'll show you... a. 'evolution' What's that...?? Define evolution...? b. Post the Scientific Theory of evolution...? c. Post just TWO Formal Scientific Hypotheses then *Experiments* that concretized it into a REAL Scientific Theory...? d. Post the Null Hypotheses that were Rejected/Falsified for each...? e. Highlight The Independent Variables used in Each TEST...? Really?? Hmm...Please "Scientifically Validate" the Age of the Earth... a. What Phenomenon was Observed...? b. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...? c. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...? d. Post The Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...? regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,064 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,391 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I like the simple approach to all this - all structures of thought are faith based on present realities! This being 'A'self evident truth... God says about all this: Romans 1:18 (KJV) [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. [24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. The obvious delimma for all present in this present observation is -all that is here cannot be from what is observed for the sum of all the parts must be equal to the whole! In fact it is this reality that structures what God has said above and 'ALL' peoples are witnessess no matter the claim they profoundly with utmost sincerity exclaim otherwise... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted May 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Allroses48 said: You said you could disprove it Enoch but you're asking me to do all the work for you. Yes well... because it's the Acme of Foolishness to even consider, much less attempt, to disprove Complete Arguments from Ignorance Fallacies. Or, do you find it 'Scientific' or 'Logical' to imagine things THEN have other people attempt to disprove your imaginings before you give evidence of your imaginings...? Your Appeal is tantamount to claiming: Invisible 3 Toed Gnomes behind the Crab Nebula throwing pixie dust in a black hole are responsible for creating dark matter, THEN...challenging people to 'disprove it'; If NOT, your claim is THEREFORE... TRUE!! So FIRST "Scientifically Validate" your Claim, THEN...I'll Disprove It. mmm K? regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Enoch2021 said: Yes well... because it's the Acme of Foolishness to even consider, much less attempt, to disprove Complete Arguments from Ignorance Fallacies. Or, do you find it 'Scientific' or 'Logical' to imagine things THEN have other people attempt to disprove your imaginings before you give evidence of your imaginings...? Your Appeal is tantamount to claiming: Invisible 3 Toed Gnomes behind the Crab Nebula throwing pixie dust in a black hole are responsible for creating dark matter, THEN...challenging people to 'disprove it'; If NOT, your claim is THEREFORE... TRUE!! So FIRST "Scientifically Validate" your Claim, THEN...I'll Disprove It. mmm K? regards The old earth has been scientifically proven. You can Google it. I don't need to post a book of data when it's online for all to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Allroses48 said: The old earth has been scientifically proven. You can Google it. 1. Baseless 'Bare' Assertion Fallacy. 2. Elephant Hurling (Fallacy): a debate tactic in which a debater will refer to a large body of evidence which supposedly supports the debater's arguments, but without demonstrating that the evidence does indeed support the argument. http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/w/Elephant_hurling Quote I don't need to post a book of data when it's online for all to read. Straw Man Fallacy: I didn't ask for that. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Enoch2021 said: 1. Baseless 'Bare' Assertion Fallacy. 2. Elephant Hurling (Fallacy): a debate tactic in which a debater will refer to a large body of evidence which supposedly supports the debater's arguments, but without demonstrating that the evidence does indeed support the argument. http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/w/Elephant_hurling Straw Man Fallacy: I didn't ask for that. regards I'm not interested in debating with you about this nor am I going to spend hours posting science you can find online regarding old earth. It's for all to read and nothing I post will change your mind anyway. So throw out whatever debate tactics I'm supposedly using. I'm not going to bite. Edited May 18, 2017 by Allroses48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted May 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Allroses48 said: I'm not interested in debating with you about this nor am I going to spend hours posting science... So you can't SUPPORT your claims. Quote It's for all to read and nothing I post will change your mind anyway. 1. How do you know that?? Do you have Special Mind Powers that I'm unaware of... that you can discern what will/will not change my mind? 2. I'm admonished to: (1 Thessalonians 5:21) "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." So SUPPORT your Claim...? It's not a difficult concept to understand. Quote you can find online regarding old earth. I can find many different things 'online'...it doesn't make them TRUE. And it's NOT "MY" Job to SUPPORT "YOUR" Claims!! Quote I'm not going to bite. Translation: I can't SUPPORT my Claims. regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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