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Apocalypse signs from ‘Italian Nostradamus’ reveal themselves 500 years later January 12, 201712:05pm


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15 minutes ago, Ezra said:

This is critical. The earth will NOT remain as it is after all the judgments are poured out, and the earth is literally burned up with supernatural fire, in order to usher in the New Heavens and the New Earth. Taking that verse by itself would be misleading, since we have all the subsequent prophecies which override "while the earth remaineth" (as it was created).

The present Heaven and Earth will not pass out of existence. This idea is the result of a superficial reading of 2 Pet. 3:10-13 and Rev. 20:11; 21:1. 2 Pet. 3:10-13 as it reads, does not convey the idea that the present Heaven and Earth will be annihilated. In fact fire does not cause anything to cease to exist. Fire can merely change something from one condition to another, or renovate and cleanse, as the case may be. Peter shows that there will be a renovation of the Earth by fire and  that future renovation will not blot out the Earth any more than did the destruction of the world by water in the beginning.

These facts alone prove that the atmospheric heavens and the Earth, "which are now," will never cease to exist, but will be merely renovated by fire and exist in a renewed state; wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev. 21-22 proves that the New Earth will be after the Millennium . It was not until after the 1,000years reign of Christ and His saints, the last rebellion of Satan and man against God that the destruction of the rebels, and the last resurrection and final judgment that John said, "And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth; for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away . . . . and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

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On 1/11/2017 at 9:22 PM, missmuffet said:

Yes, the rapture of the Church. That is imminent. It could happen at any time.

I think you missed my point, but thanks for the reply.

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Hazard's  careful rendering above is correct

And so is missmuffet correct about the Lord's early call for His "church" ..... could happen before this day is over [Matthew 25:1-13]

Those with "oil" [the Lord's holy spirit] will enter the door [Revelation 3:10]

Those without the "oil" will not enter [Revelation 3:15-19]

 

Edited by Daniel 11:36
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10 hours ago, HAZARD said:

In fact fire does not cause anything to cease to exist.

Really? Ask the homeowners who have lost their homes in fires.  "New heavens and new earth" means that the existing heavens and earth have been thoroughly burned up, and totally replaced.  "Seed time and harvest" pertains to the surface of the earth, so even if the globe remains (which it will), everything that presently exists on this earth will be vaporized.  That is precisely what Peter reveals. That supernatural fire is for CLEANSING AND PURIFICATION.

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Hazard's  careful rendering above is correct

And so is missmuffet correct about the Lord's early call for His "church" ..... could happen before this day is over [Matthew 25:1-13]

Those with "oil" [the Lord's holy spirit] will enter the door [Revelation 3:10]

Those without the "oil" will not enter [Revelation 3:15-19]                                                Daniel 11:36

Perhaps it would be more precise  to say that HAZARDS rendering is correct in your opinion and that you are in agreement with msmuffets interpretation of this"early call".....personally ,I don't but that is my interpretation .....

The only thing we can all agree on is what is most important & the reason for the parable in the first place & that is that we must live READY ,in Christ Jesus!

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13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.                                Matthew 25:13

 

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"Perhaps it would be more precise  to say that HAZARDS rendering is correct in your opinion"

 

No .... I am willing to stand on his rendering .... we both share it

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10 hours ago, Ezra said:

Really? Ask the homeowners who have lost their homes in fires.  "New heavens and new earth" means that the existing heavens and earth have been thoroughly burned up, and totally replaced.  "Seed time and harvest" pertains to the surface of the earth, so even if the globe remains (which it will), everything that presently exists on this earth will be vaporized.  That is precisely what Peter reveals. That supernatural fire is for CLEANSING AND PURIFICATION.

That's what I said.

"Really? Ask the homeowners who have lost their homes in fires."

Yes, "Really." Those beautiful homes burnt down in fires were changed from beautiful homes to a huge pile of ash! They never ceased to exist, they were not removed, they were changed from one substance to another. Home + fire = ash.

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