Covenants, Israel and the UN

[Guest shiloh357]

January 15th looms before us. At a meeting of over 70 nations it would seem that Israel’s future as a self-determining nation state is going to be decided.

This conference, if speculation is correct, is concerned with the ownership rights to Israel’s land. Despite the fact that the intention of this meeting of nations is to decide Israel’s fate, neither they nor the Palestinians will be in attendance; they will merely be briefed as to the conferences outcome after the fact.

Jerusalem is terrified that the summary position determined by this conference will then be immediately taken to the United Nations Security Council and translated into a legally binding resolution, all before Donald Trump takes office. Israel is afraid, with good reason, that a two state solution is about to be imposed upon them by force.

The world stands on the brink of calamity. Israel’s land is guaranteed to them by God. Even though the Bible is very clear that the land of Israel will be divided before the end comes, that doesn’t mean that there will not be very real consequences for the people and nations actively involved in making that division a reality.

Even the nations on the periphery of such a decision will be significantly impacted by such an act of rebellion.

Dividing the land of Israel and imposing a two state solution upon them would be an act of utter rebellion against the written word of God. The consequences for this rebellion will be very real and very significant for everybody involved.

In four separate and distinct covenants, each of which remain in force today, God guarantees the land as belonging exclusively to Israel. Instituting these Covenants with His people, throughout time, God has assured the Jewish people of their rights to this land again and again. 

God did this through the Abrahamic Covenant, the Land Covenant found in Deuteronomy, the Davidic Covenant and the New Covenant, inaugurated by God’s Son, Jesus Christ.

God fully intends to keeps His covenants, down to the last jot and tittle:

“For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:18)

 

Read the whole article at:    http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/ward79.html

[White Rabbitt]

11 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

January 15th looms before us. At a meeting of over 70 nations it would seem that Israel’s future as a self-determining nation state is going to be decided.

This conference, if speculation is correct, is concerned with the ownership rights to Israel’s land. Despite the fact that the intention of this meeting of nations is to decide Israel’s fate, neither they nor the Palestinians will be in attendance; they will merely be briefed as to the conferences outcome after the fact.

Jerusalem is terrified that the summary position determined by this conference will then be immediately taken to the United Nations Security Council and translated into a legally binding resolution, all before Donald Trump takes office. Israel is afraid, with good reason, that a two state solution is about to be imposed upon them by force.

The world stands on the brink of calamity. Israel’s land is guaranteed to them by God. Even though the Bible is very clear that the land of Israel will be divided before the end comes, that doesn’t mean that there will not be very real consequences for the people and nations actively involved in making that division a reality.

Even the nations on the periphery of such a decision will be significantly impacted by such an act of rebellion.

Dividing the land of Israel and imposing a two state solution upon them would be an act of utter rebellion against the written word of God. The consequences for this rebellion will be very real and very significant for everybody involved.

In four separate and distinct covenants, each of which remain in force today, God guarantees the land as belonging exclusively to Israel. Instituting these Covenants with His people, throughout time, God has assured the Jewish people of their rights to this land again and again. 

God did this through the Abrahamic Covenant, the Land Covenant found in Deuteronomy, the Davidic Covenant and the New Covenant, inaugurated by God’s Son, Jesus Christ.

God fully intends to keeps His covenants, down to the last jot and tittle:

“For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:18)

 

Read the whole article at:    http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/ward79.html

Sounds scary.

When is this happening, tomorrow?

What happens Monday?

Israel goes to war with the world?

Is Israel in prophesy the land or the people?

The Bible says pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

And we know that can't happen until the Messiah returns.

So we pray for the return of Jesus Christ.

That's all we need to do.

That's all we're told to do.

Am I right?

[other one]

I don't think so.   we are told as i can best paraphrase it, we will receive whatever we do with Israel.    While we are not commanded to defend them, if we are not thier friends and do not help them in times of trouble, then God will not help us in our times of trouble.

it is my personal opinion that the Obama administration so abused our relationship with the Israeli people that God stepped in for this election and intervened on behalf of Israel.  My wife was the first at our house to verbalize it, but it's something we both agree is true.....         Everyone I know is very disturbed by the way the Obama administration has treated Israel and was praying that God intervene in our country's government.      And I think He did so on our behalf.

[heyvavhey]

Boskey newsletter January 14 2017

The crumbling of Europa         Is Paris burning? The flames are not visible to the naked eye, but they roar nevertheless in the realm of the spirit.   On Sunday January 15, 2017 more than seventy nations and organizations will gather in the ‘City of Lights’ (named because it was one of the first European cities to have gas-burning street lamps). There the nations will bang nails into a coffin that actually contains the disintegrating remains of what was once Christian Europe. The “Conférence pour la Paix au Proche-Orient” (Conference for Peace in the Near East) will bring together the Quartet (UN, USA, EU and Russia), the five Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (USA, Russia, UK, France and China), the G20, the rest of the European Union, Arab partners and assorted well-wishers.   Their goal (speaking from a biblical viewpoint) is to divide the Land of Israel. They phrase it differently – “to facilitate the establishment of a Palestinian state” smack dab in the middle of the Land promised by God to Jacob and his children.   The Conference is offering a carrot to the Palestinians (concrete economic measures and political support). A recalcitrant Jewish state will be threatened with a big stick (warlike measures which include international boycotts, sanctions and treatment as a pariah state).     “Let me make you an offer you can’t refuse!”   Like Mafia dons, Pierre Vimont (French Foreign Minister) and Jean-Marc Ayrault (Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Development) called together a meeting of international senior diplomats in Paris on January 6, 2017.  The first draft of the conference’s summary communiqué was presented for feedback and tweaking before its world release on January 15 (www.infoequitable.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Document-Quai-dOrsay.pdf; www.dreuz.info/2017/01/11/dreuz-sest-procure-le-texte-deja-redige-des-conclusions-de-la-conference-pour-la-paix-de-paris-du-15-janvier-2017/).   The document outlines and declares the goals and strategies of the Conference:   Dividing the Land of Israel into two states, Israel and Palestine, as the only way to achieve peace Condemning all Jewish construction and settlement activity (including in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City) based on recent UN Security Resolution 2334 Jewish building of homes across the Green Line is equated as being on par with terrorist violence Israelis are called upon to disavow their own official government if it rejects the division of the Land of Israel Israel’s government is called upon to stop building in all territory liberated by the IDF in June 1967’s Six-Day War The seventy nations do not accept the results of Israel’s June 1967 Six-Day War victory and insist that Israel withdraw from all territory liberated by the IDF   If Israel agrees to these points, they could also possibly expect “the potential for security, stability and prosperity…in the areas of economic incentives.”     The rest of the news   On Monday January 9, 2017 (three days after the release of the draft communiqué) the ‘rest of the news’ came out. Twelve French Ambassadors issued a public letter (similar to another letter they issued on March 2, 2016) – a Cosa Nostra-type threat spelling out the legal warfare (‘lawfare’) which will be directed against Israel if it refuses to sign on the dotted line (only in French - www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2016/02/03/paris-et-bruxelles-doivent-agir-pour-sauver-l-etat-palestinien_4858462_3232.html; www.france-palestine.org/La-France-doit-reconnaitre-l-Etat-palestinien-avant-qu-il-ne-soit-trop-tard).   Here are Israel’s faults, according to the letter:   Israeli construction is simply colonialization and it must be immediately stopped Israel is an apartheid state Israel has no right to the Land based on ‘religious messianism’ (Scripture-based religious convictions) Israel has too much and disproportionate military strength   Here are the ambassadors’ reasons to apply immediate pressure on Israel:   Arab public opinion resents the Western world which they accuse of complicity with Israel Israel’s refusal to attend the Paris conference shows the necessity for international pressure on Israel A Palestinian state cannot arise without international pressure on Israel President-Elect Trump’s accession on January 20 2017 will make the possibility of a Palestinian state disappear for years to come   Here are the benefits for France and Europe:   France must step forward in honor and in service of peace, liberty and the rights of man to create a new dynamic whose political and moral significance is incontestable France and the European Union need to move into engagement quickly before it is too late (cut-off date January 20, 2017) Forcing Israel to withdraw is to repair a historical injustice. There must be an immediate end of Israel’s June 1967 occupation   Here are the necessary steps against Israel which (the ambassadors advocate) should be taken:   The immediate recognition of a Palestinian state (a concerted declaration with UK, Spain, Italy and Greece) The immediate suspension of association agreements between the European Union and Israel The immediate end of economic, scientific and academic cooperation between the EU and Israel The immediate labelling and potential boycotting of all products coming from Jerusalem (Jewish Quarter, South, North and East areas), Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel, Jordan Valley, Golan, etc. (this last point is already well under way)   The twelve French ambassadors who signed this public letter have floated a trial balloon, letting those who are listening understand where things are headed as of January 15, 2017. They warn Israel at the conclusion of the letter that the Jewish state is in a perilous and vulnerable situation if it does not cave in to these pressures immediately. Their language puts the lie to the Conference’s bland declaration that the nature of its communiqué “is not intended to impose terms” on Israel.   The PLO/PA Ambassador to France Salman al-Harfi stated that this “initiative will move forward regardless of Jerusalem’s opposition.” Hamas and Islamic Jihad (who control the Gaza Strip and threaten the PLO’s control of the West Bank in many areas) totally reject the Conference’s position of even talking with Israel and of offering it anything at all.     Getting into the express line   Whereas French cuisine is known for its high quality and unrushed service, this conference definitely looks much more like an American fast-food hamburger joint. If France can get this declaration approved by the EU and the Quartet (before Trump takes office on January 20), then it can be brought to a UN Security Council debate on the Israel-Palestine issue scheduled for January 17, 2017. If the US abstains once again, this would hopefully (for France and its partners) create a snowball effect leading toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.   One of the goals here is to create international political momentum which would block any new American initiatives or re-evaluations regarding the Middle East and Israel.     Crocodile tears and kisses   The communiqué declares that all 70 countries or organizations are warmly supportive of Israel’s destiny, that Israel will be the primary beneficiary of having a Palestinian state as its neighbor, and that France is Israel’s friend. Such ‘loving declarations’ have been made in times past to other Middle Eastern nations (like the Free Syrian Army, Mubarak’s Egypt, Lebanon’s Christians, Iran’s and Turkey’s democratic forces). There truly is a credibility gap here between European avowals of love and the harsh reality of Islamist terror.   The ambassadorial letter weeps that Israel must be saved from itself, since its ‘apartheid’ policies will cause the Jewish state to lose its soul.  Just a few lines before that the twelve diplomats challenge Europe, saying that if the EU can unite to oppose Islamic State, they can certainly band together to foil the Jewish state.       The fire of God’s jealousy   As God is watching over His chosen people and bringing them home to their Promised Land, seventy nations are about to go on record as opposing the restoration of the Jewish people to the land of Israel and to the city of Jerusalem. These machinations arouse the burning zeal  of the God of Jacob, whose fire is in Zion, and whose furnace is in Jerusalem (Isaiah 31:9).   “Therefore thus says YHVH God, ‘Surely in the fire of My jealousy I have spoken against the rest of the nations, and against all Edom, who appropriated My land for themselves as a possession with wholehearted joy and with scorn of soul’” (Ezekiel 36:5).   “For behold, in those days and at that time when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My inheritance Israel whom they have scattered among the nations and they have divided up My land” (Joel 3:1-2).     Step-by-step Islamist agenda   Bat Ye’or (a pseudonym) is a world-renowned French scholar of Islamic history and its relationship with Jews and Christians. Her book “Eurabia: the Euro-Arab axis” charts how Islamic strategies have focused for decades on turning Europe into a Shari’a-friendly puppet which will push for Islamist policies against the Jewish state. Her recent article (www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9725/security-council-resolution-israel) may help the reader to grasp other aspects currently transpiring here.   As well, world-class scholar on Islam and the Middle East Dr. Daniel Pipes offers helpful suggestions in his recent article “The Way to Peace: Israeli Victory, Palestinian Defeat” (www.danielpipes.org/17110/the-way-to-peace-israeli-victory-palestinian).     How should we then pray?   Pray for God to speak to the leaders of the nations gathered in Paris and reveal His heart to them   Pray for God to protect His Jewish people form the evil plans of evil men and evil nations   Pray for a spirit of identificational repentance to sweep through French believers as they intercede for their nation    Pray for the protection, strengthening, revelation and salvation of the Jewish people, and that they may lean on Him who can keep them from all evil and all destruction Your prayers and support hold up our arms and are the very practical enablement of God to us in the work He has called us to do.   In Messiah Yeshua,   Avner Boskey

Edited January 14, 2017 by heyvavhey

[other one]

whatever they do at this meeting has no teeth in it that I can see.   No country that will vote for this is doing anything for Israel now and they won't change after the meeting in Paris....    our views on Israel will change drastically after January 20th.

 

I think it would be cool if they took this directly to the UN Security Council and Russia vetoed it as a personal favor to Donald Trump.....

[nebula]

This next week could be "interesting times."

[other one]

16 minutes ago, nebula said:

This next week could be "interesting times."

LoL,  and let us hope and pray its not the Chinese curse kind of interesting times....

[Guest shiloh357]

The tide is changing and it is in Israel's favor.  God has brought Trump in for this very purpose among others.   I believe we are about to see the most pro-Israel president and administration in US history.  We won't agree with the administration on everything, but they will be a 180 degree shift from the Obama administration and will not be bullied by the Palestinians or Arab communities.

Every president of recent memory has tried to get a "deal" for peace.  Any deal.  They just need a deal.  That has been the desire of every president in recent decades.  To be able to put that feather in their hat and say, "I managed to get a peace deal signed in between Israel and the Palestinians" has been a presidential dream.  And that is also the problem.  They wanted a deal, but they wanted it for themselves, not for Israel or the Palestinians.   They didn't care if it was a good deal.  They didn't care if either party wanted the deal, so long as they signed it.   In fact, most of the time, the "peace process" as it was called failed because the deals were lopsided.   Israel had to do all of the giving and the Palestinians never really had to promise to give up terrorism or the goal of removing Israel as a nation.  The Palestinians were never held to account for failing to live up to even one item in any agreement they signed with Israel. 

Trump is going to be different.  He wants a good deal and that means the Palestinians have to give and they have to give meaningfully and they have to put feet to their words and ante up.   Trump is a far better negotiator than our previous administrations who were "pro-Israel" on paper, but not really pro-Israel in practice.  Most other administrations have viewed Israel as America's vassal nation, and I think that is going to stop in this administration.

This why I and others have begun to think that Trump is a modern Cyrus.  He is going to move our embassy to Jerusalem and the enemies of Israel are having a fit about it and protesting it and promising violence and leveling threats, much like the enemies of the Jews who returned to Jerusalem to rebuild it back in the days of Nehemiah.   We are living in interesting times, indeed.

 

[hmbld]

4 hours ago, White Rabbitt said:

Israel goes to war with the world?

 

From what little I know, does it seem Israel wants war with the world, or is the world at war with Israel?  

[other one]

so 70 countries that don't like Israel come together to do what.....    probably get ignored.    If the UN is going to get involved, they would have to do it very quickly and depending on what they might decide, could be the end of our participation financially with the UN and anyone we are giving money to.      Trump is not going to just let anything Obama does go.