nebula Posted January 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.96 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thoughts? ~~ "There is a serious problem within protestant evangelical Christianity. We love right preaching and teaching more than we love right living. We love power and authority more than sacrifice and submission. We love honor over humility...." <Snip> "Leaders of the church are to be representatives of Jesus, individuals set apart to be under-shepherds. They are to care for the flock. And what do we need? We need teaching, encouragement, comfort, and rebuke in their proper times and measures. But most of all we need our leaders to be images/examples of our true Shepherd. "Quite simply, the good shepherd is one who lays down his life for the sheep (John 10:11) and who feeds, carries, and gently leads (Isa 40:11). Of course this is a picture of a powerful leader. Only one with power who knows right and wrong can choose to sacrifice rights and become smaller for the purpose of care of the most vulnerable. "But we have a pattern of enabling self-promoting leaders of the flock. These want to be listened to, respected and followed for their own sake. Sure, they may speak of the Gospel of grace, but how do live it? ..." https://philipmonroe.com/2017/01/16/a-cancer-within-evangelical-christianity/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BacKaran Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I absolutely love my brothers, elders and pastors in my little church. They are shepherds who are accountable to Christ in every way from home to preaching the meat we are so hungry for in His word, we are so blessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted January 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.93 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, nebula said: "There is a serious problem within protestant evangelical Christianity. We love right preaching and teaching more than we love right living. We love power and authority more than sacrifice and submission. We love honor over humility...." I think I disagree. I say I think because I am not real sure what you are talking about. But as far as I know. I am not see what you are talking about in the church I attend. While I guess what you say can be true of some Christians, it is wrong to make a general statement about Christians as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 950 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,532 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 9,027 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I have to state that I have ever not suffered under any church like that. So I too have no idea what  makes one think there is such a problem.  Guess I'll just praise my Lord and the Holy Spirit for leading me to  local bodies of Christ Jesus where the saints have been  humble bond-servants, giving to each other, and pretty fine prayer warriors too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthydude Posted January 18, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 105 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 18, 2017 by unworthydude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted January 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, nebula said: Thoughts? ~~ "There is a serious problem within protestant evangelical Christianity. We love right preaching and teaching more than we love right living. We love power and authority more than sacrifice and submission. We love honor over humility...." <Snip> "Leaders of the church are to be representatives of Jesus, individuals set apart to be under-shepherds. They are to care for the flock. And what do we need? We need teaching, encouragement, comfort, and rebuke in their proper times and measures. But most of all we need our leaders to be images/examples of our true Shepherd. "Quite simply, the good shepherd is one who lays down his life for the sheep (John 10:11) and who feeds, carries, and gently leads (Isa 40:11). Of course this is a picture of a powerful leader. Only one with power who knows right and wrong can choose to sacrifice rights and become smaller for the purpose of care of the most vulnerable. "But we have a pattern of enabling self-promoting leaders of the flock. These want to be listened to, respected and followed for their own sake. Sure, they may speak of the Gospel of grace, but how do live it? ..." https://philipmonroe.com/2017/01/16/a-cancer-within-evangelical-christianity/ My thoughts... Bleeding Deacons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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