SavedByGrace1981 Posted January 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted January 28, 2017 41 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: I agree that people on both sides are serious about it. If Hillary had won the talk from Texas would have been just as serious as that of Cali. I disagree for this reason: Hillary's administration would not have been that different from Barack Obama's. There was no serious talk from Texas about seceding then, so there likely wouldn't have been going forward. 44 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: I am not so sure it is not time for it to happen anyhow. We are no longer a united country, we are no longer a country that supports compromise to get things done. Our country was founded on compromise, without it we cannot survive. Also, when we were founded all the states (all 13 of them) had more or less common issues and problems. That is not the case any more. What is good for Cali is not necessarily good for Oklahoma or what is good for Florida is not so for Utah. Is it time to break the union into smaller, more homogenous groups and have more of an EU style approach. Each cluster of states could form their own nation and we could share things like trade and defense. Actually that's not a bad idea. One problem though might be logistical. You might end up something like two countries, but the more liberal/socialist one would be geographically split (northeast and west coasts and perhaps Illinois) and the other (conservative/libertarian) the South and central. But I'll let others work out the details. Blessings, -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: While this is a very cute little statement and looks very noble on paper, it is really just ridiculous. Cali contributes 14% of the US GDP. As noted above their ports bring in the majority of the goods coming to America. Not to mention that if Cali left it is very likely that Oregon and Washington would join them, thus taking away access to the Pacific ocean. There are bombing ranges in Cali that are the only place in the world that certain ordinances are allowed to be dropped in training. Out of the 8 largest Tech firms in the US, 4 have HQs in Cali and two other have them in Washington state. I assure you my statement was not intended to be 'cute'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 It looks like the Californians are going ahead with their secession idea.... https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f349e63c-d335-32e5-893a-4c2ee624686e/california-secession-movement.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 28, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 28, 2017 17 hours ago, MorningGlory said: This caught ME a little by surprise. Apparently Californians are not happy with the new landscape in the U.S. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/57fc544c-5cf3-3f76-b49b-08a0b3eb6803/officials-announce-proposal.html California is Liberal and always asking their lawmakers to tolerate all manner of things. But the outcome of an election in a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Now they want to take their state and go alone. What a waste of time. February 16th, 2010 Scalia: "There Is No Right to Secede" So you want to secede from the U.S.: A four-step guide By Philip Bump June 27, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyvavhey Posted January 28, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 346 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 140 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/09/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 1/28/2017 at 7:29 AM, Out of the Shadows said: When on this very board it was suggested that Texas and maybe other states leave the Union if Hillary was elected there was no outcry, There was plenty of that in California Quote There was no serious talk from Texas about seceding then, so there likely wouldn't have been going forward. Oh yes there was. We have already minted coins that say "Republic of Texas" and at least once a month there were protests at the Capitol to demand secession. Most Texans chuckled at it but we didn't move to stop it. Unlike California or the rest of the nation, we have our own energy grid. Not to mention everything else a sovereign nation needs. The state of Washington "might" leave with California but not Oregon. Get outside of Portland and everyone is a rugged individualist, very conservative. Washington is the same way but Olympia, Seattle, Tacoma, and Spokane may have most of the population. This ain't going to happen either. It's just more mouthing-off from the Libs. It's not like they're going to build a military or suggest all their citizens get guns. If it did happen, that would be the end of liberalism in the western hemisphere. The remaining States would be united and liberals would quickly be (an unprotected) minority here. In California, they'd either fall to Mexico or become a LOT more conservative to survive. Either way is a win-win in my opinion. The worst case scenario? They stay and we have to put up with their dishonesty and whining for the next few decades. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheya joie Posted January 30, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2017 Didn't we fight a war, like, a century and a half ago over whether states have the right to secede? Pretty sure the outcome of that was NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 30, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,047 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,792 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 30, 2017 Democrats stopped teaching history in schools some time ago.... the young ones may not know that. If Hillary had won though and Texas tried it, I would have worked to get Oklahoma to join. So, I really can't blame them now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BacKaran Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Texas USA is not only a state but it's run as a republic.the only republic in the USA. So they can mint their own money and have been minting silver for a while As a republic the US Govt pays Texas to rent it's bases in the state.. Smart move all the states should have taken. Now if Trump can get us back on the gold and silver monetary system ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 31, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,047 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,792 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 31, 2017 28 minutes ago, BacKaran said: Texas USA is not only a state but it's run as a republic.the only republic in the USA. So they can mint their own money and have been minting silver for a while As a republic the US Govt pays Texas to rent it's bases in the state.. Smart move all the states should have taken. Now if Trump can get us back on the gold and silver monetary system ..... That isnt going to happen for many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BacKaran Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 It'll be interesting that's for sure. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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