ZacharyB Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 0:19 PM, firestormx said: ... there is no way we can do anything but produce good fruit Nice wishful thinking ... If you keep repeating this over and over, you most certainly will believe it. Now, this good fruit ... will it be forthcoming after believers STOP habitually (w/o repentance) sinning? Before their deaths, I mean ... sure hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 6:01 PM, gdemoss said: You haven't answered my question. My answer to you is "Chow". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestormx Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,113 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 442 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/06/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/17/1975 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, ZacharyB said: Nice wishful thinking ... If you keep repeating this over and over, you most certainly will believe it. Now, this good fruit ... will it be forthcoming after believers STOP habitually (w/o repentance) sinning? Before their deaths, I mean ... sure hope so! If we are saved then we have repented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProphecyKid Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1988 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 5:56 PM, KittyBubbleFlowers said: In the OT we are told no one could keep the whole of the law. For if they violated one tenet they violated all and all was lost. How does someone think to teach, argue, resort to sarcasm in order to promote, the same thing under a new cover. It is beyond me and yet it seems to be cropping up all over the place far too frequently of late. Though it was foretold that there would be those who would seek to bring false doctrine to the saints in order to mislead them. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's the purpose of all those false teachers out there. Proving in their efforts the truth of scripture for those saints that know the truth. No Christian works to save themselves. We are saved by God's grace. I'll not go into the rest of it because the teachings of Christ are clear. Nope. The OT does not teach that all was lost of you violated the law. That is rediculous. King David violated the law many times but he was saved wasn't he? The Idea that anybody had to keep the law perfectly to be saved is something that the Pharisees came up with and tried to impose upon the people. God never taught that. Salvation has always been through Grace. God has a standard for us to live by, not in order to get Salvation but because we are his people which means we should live Godly lives. God is pleased when we obey his laws out of love for him and for our neighbours. Its not about being saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 22 minutes ago, ProphecyKid said: Nope. The OT does not teach that all was lost of you violated the law. That is rediculous. King David violated the law many times but he was saved wasn't he? I believe this person was speaking of James 2:10 "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProphecyKid Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1988 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, OneLight said: I believe this person was speaking of James 2:10 "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." But they went on to day that if someone did not keep the law perfectly then they were lost. That part I did not agree with. Salvation never came by keeping the law perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, ProphecyKid said: But they went on to day that if someone did not keep the law perfectly then they were lost. That part I did not agree with. Salvation never came by keeping the law perfectly Yet, for legalism, as some preach, it is their belief. Still, in the OT, all they had was the law, which is the time frame the person spoke of. Today, we do have people who do teach legalism, and if you break one of their beliefs, you have sinned and if you continue to do such a sin, you were never saved in the first place. They leave grace/repentance out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProphecyKid Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1988 Share Posted February 11, 2017 43 minutes ago, OneLight said: Yet, for legalism, as some preach, it is their belief. Still, in the OT, all they had was the law, which is the time frame the person spoke of. Today, we do have people who do teach legalism, and if you break one of their beliefs, you have sinned and if you continue to do such a sin, you were never saved in the first place. They leave grace/repentance out of the picture. What do you mean by all they had was the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, ProphecyKid said: What do you mean by all they had was the law? During the time before Jesus, they had only their laws to follow and no means of salvation we have through Christ. They had the 10 Commandments and the Levitical Laws to guide them as they tried to live righteous lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProphecyKid Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 85 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1988 Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, OneLight said: During the time before Jesus, they had only their laws to follow and no means of salvation we have through Christ. They had the 10 Commandments and the Levitical Laws to guide them as they tried to live righteous lives. They had the same means of Salvation as we had. Its the same grace through faith. The only difference was that they had to use a system of symbols and shadows that were detailed in the Levitical Priestly System, but those things all pointed to Christ. The laws had anything to do with earning salvation unless they were laws which dictated how they were to interact within the levitical system in order to obtain forgiveness. For instance, laws which dictated what kind of animal sacrifice was needed at which feasts. But other than that, the other laws were not about earning salvation, they were just about how God wanted his people to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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