ZacharyB Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ … But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:21-27, NKJV) • I never knew you who practice lawlessness, break God’s laws, act wickedly Matthew 7:23, “knew” >> to know, “ginosko”, Strong’s #1097. From “Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words” … “to know, ‘ginosko’, Strong’s #1097: “here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval and bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ in 2 Tim 2:19; cf. John 10:14, John 10:27” “The Lord knows (approves of) those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19) “I know (approve of) My sheep, and am known by My own.” (John 10:14) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know (approve of) them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28) Matt 7:23 (NASB) “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.” Matt 7:23 (NLT) “I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who break God’s laws.” Matt 7:23 (TLB) “You have never been Mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.” Matt 7:23 (AMP) “depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].” Jesus has never approved of those so-called “believers” … who “practice lawlessness” instead of practicing righteousness! “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10) Do you really believe practicing righteousness includes habitually sinning? • Great was the fall Those who hear Jesus’ sayings, but don’t do them, have a great fall. Is this fall from salvation, or from rewards? Lol If you really know Jesus, you love Him and obey His commandments John 14:15, 21, 23, 24 • “If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word (commandments).” John 8:31 • “If you abide in (obey) My word, you are My disciples indeed.” John 8:51 • “Most assuredly … if anyone obeys My word he shall never see death.” Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, obey the commandments.” Luke 8:21 • “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:28 • “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it!” Luke 8:15 • “But the ones (hearers of the word of God) that fell on the good ground are those who … obey it and bear fruit with patience.” Hebrews 5:9 • “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” James 1:21 • “But be obeyers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” Romans 8:4, NLT • “So now we are able to obey God’s laws, if we follow after the Holy Spirit” 1 John 2:3 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we obey His commandments. 1 John 2:17 • “… but he who obeys the will of God abides forever.” 1 John 3:24 • “Now he who obeys His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.” So, whose slave do you choose to be? … “(a slave) of sin leading to death, OR (a slave) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16) To the grace-only believer Don’t you care if Jesus “knows” (approves of) you or not? Do you really believe that you’re going to heaven regardless? Part of being “lukewarm” is NOT obeying Jesus’ commandments! It’s all selfishness … not caring anything about the wishes of our Savior. Jesus says: If you are a lukewarm believer, you think you are A-OK, but … “you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17). Edited February 7, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittyBubbleFlowers Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/31/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 What a shame. Legalism has no place in Christ's teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 hours ago, KittyBubbleFlowers said: What a shame. Legalism has no place in Christ's teaching. So, all of those NT verses (and many others) are legalism! Okay, thanks ... I needed that. Hope the tail is wavin' "Goodbye!" ... just hopin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittyBubbleFlowers Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/31/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) In the OT we are told no one could keep the whole of the law. For if they violated one tenet they violated all and all was lost. How does someone think to teach, argue, resort to sarcasm in order to promote, the same thing under a new cover. It is beyond me and yet it seems to be cropping up all over the place far too frequently of late. Though it was foretold that there would be those who would seek to bring false doctrine to the saints in order to mislead them. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's the purpose of all those false teachers out there. Proving in their efforts the truth of scripture for those saints that know the truth. No Christian works to save themselves. We are saved by God's grace. I'll not go into the rest of it because the teachings of Christ are clear. Edited February 7, 2017 by KittyBubbleFlowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,649 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 The teachings of Christ are clear. We are to Love God with all our hearts, souls, strength and minds. We should love one another. They shall know that we are His disciples if we love one another. God has given us new hearts that have these things written on them. When we walk after the Spirit we walk in godly love and compassion and are not under the law. 2Co 13:5 AMP Examine and test and evaluate your own selves to see whether you are holding to your faith and showing the proper fruits of it. Test and prove yourselves [not Christ and not each other]. Do you not yourselves realize and know [thoroughly by an ever-increasing experience] that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you are [counterfeits] disapproved on trial and rejected? I added the and not each other. We seem often to be trying to dislodge the speck from our brothers eyes while trying to see through the logs in our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 hours ago, ZacharyB said: To the grace-only believer Don’t you care if Jesus “knows” (approves of) you or not? Do you really believe that you’re going to heaven regardless? Part of being “lukewarm” is NOT obeying Jesus’ commandments! It’s all selfishness … not caring anything about the wishes of our Savior. Jesus says: If you are a lukewarm believer, you think you are A-OK, but … “you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17). How does Ephesians 2:8-10 fit into your above declaration? For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Scripture tells me that by Gods grace,we are saved through faith ... then we become His workmanship for good works. Works alone do not determine if we are saved or not, rather if our life's works will survive the test of fire will determine if we are rewarded or not. 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 tells us Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. It appears that those who's works are burned suffer loss, but he himself will remain saved. You should be more careful with such blanket statements as scripture proved you wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed_Monk Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 47 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 29 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Yowm said: I'm glad that God knowing us does not depend upon OUR obedience, but rather His... For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners (us), so by the obedience of one (Jesus) shall many be made righteous (us). (Rom 5:19) That is a very good verse. This opening post is very disconcerting. It makes out that God's love is conditional. And I didn't see in John 3:16 that part where it says, that whosoever is obedient to him shall not perish but have everlasting life. I think someone who's living their life hoping to be obedient as if living under a strict parents rod of discipline is missing the beauty of the gospel truth. That's very sad to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2017 Jesus knows everyone on earth. He knows their heart. He knows every detail about them. If a person genuinely asks Jesus Christ into their life they have a one way ticket to heaven and are saved.They are a born again believer. No one can fool God He knows it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 8, 2017 13 hours ago, ZacharyB said: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ … But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:21-27, NKJV) • I never knew you who practice lawlessness, break God’s laws, act wickedly Matthew 7:23, “knew” >> to know, “ginosko”, Strong’s #1097. From “Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words” … “to know, ‘ginosko’, Strong’s #1097: “here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval and bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ in 2 Tim 2:19; cf. John 10:14, John 10:27” “The Lord knows (approves of) those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19) “I know (approve of) My sheep, and am known by My own.” (John 10:14) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know (approve of) them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28) Matt 7:23 (NASB) “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.” Matt 7:23 (NLT) “I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who break God’s laws.” Matt 7:23 (TLB) “You have never been Mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.” Matt 7:23 (AMP) “depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].” Jesus has never approved of those so-called “believers” … who “practice lawlessness” instead of practicing righteousness! “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10) Do you really believe practicing righteousness includes habitually sinning? • Great was the fall Those who hear Jesus’ sayings, but don’t do them, have a great fall. Is this fall from salvation, or from rewards? Lol If you really know Jesus, you love Him and obey His commandments John 14:15, 21, 23, 24 • “If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word (commandments).” John 8:31 • “If you abide in (obey) My word, you are My disciples indeed.” John 8:51 • “Most assuredly … if anyone obeys My word he shall never see death.” Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, obey the commandments.” Luke 8:21 • “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:28 • “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it!” Luke 8:15 • “But the ones (hearers of the word of God) that fell on the good ground are those who … obey it and bear fruit with patience.” Hebrews 5:9 • “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” James 1:21 • “But be obeyers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” Romans 8:4, NLT • “So now we are able to obey God’s laws, if we follow after the Holy Spirit” 1 John 2:3 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we obey His commandments. 1 John 2:17 • “… but he who obeys the will of God abides forever.” 1 John 3:24 • “Now he who obeys His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.” So, whose slave do you choose to be? … “(a slave) of sin leading to death, OR (a slave) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16) To the grace-only believer Don’t you care if Jesus “knows” (approves of) you or not? Do you really believe that you’re going to heaven regardless? Part of being “lukewarm” is NOT obeying Jesus’ commandments! It’s all selfishness … not caring anything about the wishes of our Savior. Jesus says: If you are a lukewarm believer, you think you are A-OK, but … “you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17). Where did you come up with approves of meaning to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted February 8, 2017 13 hours ago, ZacharyB said: • I never knew you who practice lawlessness, break God’s laws, act wickedly Matthew 7:23, “knew” >> to know, “ginosko”, Strong’s #1097. From “Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words” … “to know, ‘ginosko’, Strong’s #1097: “here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval and bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ in 2 Tim 2:19; cf. John 10:14, John 10:27” “The Lord knows (approves of) those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19) “I know (approve of) My sheep, and am known by My own.” (John 10:14) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know (approve of) them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28) Matt 7:23 (NASB) “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.” Matt 7:23 (NLT) “I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who break God’s laws.” Matt 7:23 (TLB) “You have never been Mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.” Matt 7:23 (AMP) “depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].” Jesus has never approved of those so-called “believers” … who “practice lawlessness” instead of practicing righteousness! “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10) Do you really believe practicing righteousness includes habitually sinning? trust and belief come first-- obedience is the result of salvation, not the cause of it--- Depart, I never knew you ??~~~~~~ those people where certain that their so called obedient works would justify them before Christ--- the true believer- recognizes their sin-- and confesses to Jesus their faults and sins--- we tell Jesus about ourselves- How do you get to Know a person> you listen when they tell you about them selves-- when we confess our sins- to Jesus and look to him for justification- he gets to know us intimately because we are telling him our deepest and darkest secrets~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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