Jesus only “knows” believers who are obedient

[simplejeff]

13 minutes ago, Jewels7 said:

Doesn't the bible tell us God knew us before our mother's wombs? Before earth was? 

 

All of YHWH'S WORD, always, whatever any time proceeds from HIM,  is TRUTH.

Y'SHUA also says "be gone from ME, I never knew you" to those who did not obey HIM when they were on earth.

English Language, and greek and western ways of men's thinking, are often a very poor conveyor of YHWH'S meaning/  TRUTH.

[Jewels7]

God is omniscient.

[simplejeff]

4 minutes ago, Jewels7 said:

God is omniscient.

Y'SHUA'S sheep hear HIS voice.

and HE trains and leads and teaches and heals HIS sheep and , today, as always,

" Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"

[Jewels7]

God is omnipresent.

[gdemoss]

Either one can or cannot obey God.  Which is it?

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, gdemoss said:

Either one can or cannot obey God.  Which is it?

Everyone chooses to obey either YHWH THE CREATOR, or the god of this world.   There's no in-between.

Romans 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to ...

biblehub.com/romans/6-16.htm

Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey?

Both the desire to seek YHWH,  and being able to serve HIM is sheer grace, a gift from YHWH through Y'SHUA.

 

[Jewels7]

On 3/2/2017 at 10:38 PM, simplejeff said:

Everyone chooses to obey either YHWH THE CREATOR, or the god of this world.   There's no in-between.

Romans 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to ...

biblehub.com/romans/6-16.htm

Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey?

Both the desire to seek YHWH,  and being able to serve HIM is sheer grace, a gift from YHWH through Y'SHUA.

 

Grace afforded after condemnation in the beginning . 

[tinyprayers]

18 hours ago, Jewels7 said:

Grace afforded after condemnation in the beginning . 

Where was the forgiveness for the first mistake unconscious people made being beguiled by the most intelligent of God's angels let to fall to the earth and rule as lord here? Before the creation of people who would have to navigate his snares.

There's a meme online that reflects that observation. I've participated in discussion to that end quite a few times. https://www.google.co.il/search?q=god+sent+himself+to+change+the+rule+he+made+himself&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ux3AWPeeDsmfgAb13IP4BA

Humans have a very skewed notion of what it means to be loved. We see it all the time in personal relationship. How would it be any different imagining something unseen loves us?

Jesus only knows those whom God called to him before the creation of the planet and them if those people are working to be noticed? Legalism is antichrist.

Pathetic isn't it?

Edited March 8, 2017 by tinyprayers

[Jewels7]

1 hour ago, tinyprayers said:

Where was the forgiveness for the first mistake unconscious people made being beguiled by the most intelligent of God's angels let to fall to the earth and rule as lord here? Before the creation of people who would have to navigate his snares.

There's a meme online that reflects that observation. I've participated in discussion to that end quite a few times. https://www.google.co.il/search?q=god+sent+himself+to+change+the+rule+he+made+himself&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=ux3AWPeeDsmfgAb13IP4BA

Humans have a very skewed notion of what it means to be loved. We see it all the time in personal relationship. How would it be any different imagining something unseen loves us?

Jesus only knows those whom God called to him before the creation of the planet and them if those people are working to be noticed? Legalism is antichrist.

Pathetic isn't it?

It is. 
A fallen race of people self-identified as such even after redemption. Unworthy still as some believe. 

Thereby renouncing everything God did to reunite his spirit truth with their God given souls after they were believed to be worthy of the life of his son. 

People are fallen, depraved as John Calvin's imagination  taught. How then can those type believers ever see themselves as worthy of anything but the god they imagine approves those thought processes?

God believes we are worth more than we think of ourselves. That's the truth of the good news.  

 

[delade3]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 5:03 AM, ZacharyB said:

 

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,

‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name,

and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them,

‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

… But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them,

will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 

and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and

beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” (Matthew 7:21-27, NKJV)

 

• I never knew you who practice lawlessness, break God’s laws, act wickedly

Matthew 7:23, “knew” >> to know, “ginosko”, Strong’s #1097.

From “Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words” …

“to know, ‘ginosko’, Strong’s #1097: “here the ‘knowing’ suggests approval and

bears the meaning ‘to be approved’ in 2 Tim 2:19; cf. John 10:14, John 10:27”

“The Lord knows (approves of) those who are His” (2 Timothy 2:19)

“I know (approve of) My sheep, and am known by My own.” (John 10:14)

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know (approve of) them, and they follow Me.

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28)

Matt 7:23 (NASB) “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

Matt 7:23 (NLT) “I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who break God’s laws.”

Matt 7:23 (TLB) “You have never been Mine. Go away, for your deeds are evil.”

Matt 7:23 (AMP) “depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].”

Jesus has never approved of those so-called “believers” …

who “practice lawlessness” instead of practicing righteousness!

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

Do you really believe practicing righteousness includes habitually sinning?

 

• Great was the fall

Those who hear Jesus’ sayings, but don’t do them, have a great fall.

Is this fall from salvation, or from rewards? Lol

 

If you really know Jesus, you love Him and obey His commandments

 

John 14:15, 21, 23, 24 • “If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word (commandments).”

John 8:31 • “If you abide in (obey) My word, you are My disciples indeed.”

John 8:51 • “Most assuredly … if anyone obeys My word he shall never see death.”

 

Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, obey the commandments.”

Luke 8:21 • “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Luke 11:28 • “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it!”

Luke 8:15 • “But the ones (hearers of the word of God) that fell on the good ground

are those who … obey it and bear fruit with patience.”

 

Hebrews 5:9 • “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
James 1:21 • “But be obeyers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”

Romans 8:4, NLT • “So now we are able to obey God’s laws, if we follow after the Holy Spirit”

 

1 John 2:3 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we obey His commandments.

1 John 2:17 • “… but he who obeys the will of God abides forever.”
1 John 3:24 • “Now he who obeys His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.”

 

So, whose slave do you choose to be? … “(a slave) of sin leading to death,

OR (a slave) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)

 

To the grace-only believer

Don’t you care if Jesus “knows” (approves of) you or not?

Do you really believe that you’re going to heaven regardless?

Part of being “lukewarm” is NOT obeying Jesus’ commandments!

It’s all selfishness … not caring anything about the wishes of our Savior.

Jesus says: If you are a lukewarm believer, you think you are A-OK, but …

“you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17).

i do think that many of the words Christ spoke have been quoted above.  However you might be missing a few.  After The Father of Jesus has sent a person to Christ, seeing that none can go to Christ unless The Father has sent him, Christ will not turn any away.  For Christ will not turn away any who has come to Him.  But if we have been sent to Christ and after we hear and decide for ourselves that He is not what we want for our lives and after we leave Him, and not He leave us, then the grounds of not being obedient can be question.  Also, if you are not daily on a walk with Christ in a real relationship, spiritually and mentally and emotionally and physically, then following Jesus' very Own Words, as you have quoted above, is to be just as 'legalistic' as every Commandment keeper and Thumper.  People remain with Christ not because it is obligation but because they love being around Him.  Even in His hot temper at times (the driving out of the temple merchants) (calling Peter 'satan' in front of His disciples) (asking if 'you also' are going to leave; after they questioned Him about how He could be the manna from Heaven) (the constant questioning and answering between the Rabbinical Jews and Christ throughout the day) (having lepers and blind and mute and the 'unclean' always shouting and wanting His attention) (being in the Wilderness with no food so as to have Christ multiply bread and fish so all could eat lest they fainted on their way home) (telling His disciples that one of them was a traitor) (telling the disciples that He was going to get handed over to sinners and crucified) (telling His disciples that unless people believe He is The Christ whom God sent that they would die in their sins)..... all this His disciples listened to and learned...  And if they disagreed with Him about His knowledge, they left... But many remained with Him.  Many were offended at His Words.  Many knew His Words were the Words of God. 

Edited March 25, 2017 by delade3