Bihous Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/04/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2017 I read and reread Gospels and i can't find any verse where Jesus says he is the Messiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2017 Blessings Bihous,,, Jesus had a conversation with the Samaritan woman(at the well)....Here (Book of John)He said He is the Messaiah, Quote King James Bible Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am He. John 4:26 How much more speciific could you get? Quote Matthew 16:15-17New International Version (NIV) 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK1110 Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6,857 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 9,580 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/18/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1986 Share Posted February 9, 2017 15 hours ago, Bihous said: I read and reread Gospels and i can't find any verse where Jesus says he is the Messiah If you're looking for a place where He literally said "I AM THE MESSIAH" you won't find it. But some deeper study makes it clear. https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/John/Jesus-Claims-Messiah-One-God https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus/what-proof-do-you-have-that-jesus-was-the-messiah/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 208 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted February 10, 2017 22 hours ago, Bihous said: I read and reread Gospels and i can't find any verse where Jesus says he is the Messiah Origin and Etymology of messiahHebrew māshīaḥ & Aramaic mĕshīḥā, literally, anointed https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/messiah Some Go Hebrew And Call Jesus, Messiah Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Matthew 16:16 (New Heart English Bible) But these are written so that you may believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and by believing you may have life in His name. John 20:31 (Holman Christian Standard Bible) ~ Origin and Etymology of christMiddle English Crist, from Old English, from Latin Christus, from Greek Christos, literally, anointed, from chriein https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Christ And Some Go Greek And Call Jesus, Christ And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16 (American King James Version) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name. John 20:31 (World English Bible) ~ Either Way, Jesus Is The Anointed For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:34-36 (King James Bible) ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible) Love, Your Brother Joe ~ Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 (King James Bible) The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure. It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents. From The Inside Of My Gideon New Testament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bihous Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/04/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 09/02/2017 at 3:06 PM, kwikphilly said: Blessings Bihous,,, Jesus had a conversation with the Samaritan woman(at the well)....Here (Book of John)He said He is the Messaiah, How much more speciific could you get? With love-in Christ,Kwik these verses don't convince me. Jesus if he were the Messiah would not wait anyone to say to him you are the Messiah he had never take initiative to claim this title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,763 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,161 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 3:30 AM, Bihous said: I read and reread Gospels and i can't find any verse where Jesus says he is the Messiah 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus said to him, " Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but MyFather who is in heaven. Matt.16:15-17 Jesus and the Samaritan Woman …25The woman said, “I know that Messiah (called Christ) is coming. When He comes, He will explain everything to us.” 26Jesus answered, “I who speak to you am He.” 27Just then, His disciples returned and were astonished that He was speaking with a woman. But no one asked Him, “What do You want from her?” or “Why are You talking with her?”…John 4:26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2017 Blessings Bihous I'm not trying to convince you & Gods Word does not need anyone to defend......When a person(like yourself or anyone really) seeks the Lord with an earnest heart He Reveals Himself to them.....ask Him and He Will tell you9 Himself,when your heart is Convicted by His Holy Spirit then you know He is WHO He SAYS HE IS....Jesus NEVER forced Himself on anyone & He never Will...' Quote The Parable of the Sower Mark 4:8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it sprouted, grew up, and produced a crop—one bearing thirtyfold, another sixtyfold, and another a hundredfold.” 9Then Jesus said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” 10As soon as Jesus was alone with the Twelve and those around Him, they asked Him about the parable.… Berean Study Bible · Quote King James Bible Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? Mark 8:18 Also,I'm sure if you studied & understood the Ancient languages it really would help......but it would only help to understand better by your "understanding" logic,reason,academics etc.....thats not necessary when you have a Relationship with God in Christ,you can then see with the Eyes of your Heart With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK1110 Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6,857 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 9,580 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/18/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1986 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Bihous said: these verses don't convince me. Jesus if he were the Messiah would not wait anyone to say to him you are the Messiah he had never take initiative to claim this title His very birth fulfilled numerous specific prophecies that His people were well familiar with. He performed mighty miracles with God's power. He taught in shocking, profound ways never seen before, nor since. I'm not sure why you think he should have gone around saying the words "I AM THE MESSIAH!" Anyone can say anything; only Jesus could prove it through actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Bihous said: Jesus if he were the Messiah would not wait anyone to say to him you are the Messiah he had never take initiative to claim this title 13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Jesus might not have gone around proclaiming His messiahship, as He did not want that fact well known at the time. He told demons to bite their tongues, when they knew who He was. He told those He healed, not to tell others. Messiah was to be a worker of miracles and a healer. His first miracle, the changing of water into wine, he told his mother that His time was not yet. John the baptist had his doubts, and Jesus told John's diciples to tell John what Jesus was doing, so that he would know, that Jesus was the one they were looking for. Then there is John 10: 24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Messiaht, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26“But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. You do not really need to read between the lines here, Jesus may not have been drawing attention to the fact that He was the messiah, but He also never denied it, and did express it when pressed, without being vague about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bihous Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/04/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 10/02/2017 at 0:09 AM, BK1110 said: If you're looking for a place where He literally said "I AM THE MESSIAH" you won't find it. But some deeper study makes it clear. https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/John/Jesus-Claims-Messiah-One-God https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus/what-proof-do-you-have-that-jesus-was-the-messiah/ Jesus all days rejected the title . he is not the Messiah . and all the believers were living with him did not believe him as the Messiah John 7/31 :" 31 But of the people many believed in him, and said: When the Christ cometh, shall he do more miracles, than these which this man doth?" him refer to Jesus. the verb come is conjugate in the future . this means that Jesus is not the Messiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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