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We have heard endless bloviation from media types who have spent their entire journalistic careers in open hostility to Christianity suddenly pontificating about how un-Christian it is to build walls and restrict immigration to the United States. Why, we’re told, that’s not something Jesus would do! He himself was a refugee! How can you call yourself a Christian and not believe in letting anybody and everybody in? That’s what Jesus would do!

Now we know that people who think and talk like this are wrong. When Jesus came to Earth, he did not come as a refugee. He came as the rightful king, intent on reclaiming what had been stolen from him by the Prince of Darkness. When his parents took him to Egypt as a child, they didn’t go as refugees but as exiles who returned to their homeland as soon as they could. When his parents took him to Bethlehem, they didn’t go as refugees, they went as hard-working taxpayers doing their civic duty.

Biblically we know that there is a legitimate place for walls, for physical barriers designed for protection. God sent Nehemiah to Jerusalem to build one around the city to keep the bad guys out. We know that immigration bans under the right circumstances are appropriate, for God permanently banned immigration from the neighboring nations of Ammon and Moab because of their historic and implacable hostility to Israel.

But we know that building walls and using immigration restrictions are legitimate policies because Jesus will use them in his own kingdom.

Read more at:

http://www.afa.net/the-stand/bible/2017/02/does-jesus-believe-in-immigration-restrictions-absolutely/

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8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

We have heard endless bloviation from media types who have spent their entire journalistic careers in open hostility to Christianity suddenly pontificating about how un-Christian it is to build walls and restrict immigration to the United States. Why, we’re told, that’s not something Jesus would do! He himself was a refugee! How can you call yourself a Christian and not believe in letting anybody and everybody in? That’s what Jesus would do!

Now we know that people who think and talk like this are wrong. When Jesus came to Earth, he did not come as a refugee. He came as the rightful king, intent on reclaiming what had been stolen from him by the Prince of Darkness. When his parents took him to Egypt as a child, they didn’t go as refugees but as exiles who returned to their homeland as soon as they could. When his parents took him to Bethlehem, they didn’t go as refugees, they went as hard-working taxpayers doing their civic duty.

Biblically we know that there is a legitimate place for walls, for physical barriers designed for protection. God sent Nehemiah to Jerusalem to build one around the city to keep the bad guys out. We know that immigration bans under the right circumstances are appropriate, for God permanently banned immigration from the neighboring nations of Ammon and Moab because of their historic and implacable hostility to Israel.

But we know that building walls and using immigration restrictions are legitimate policies because Jesus will use them in his own kingdom.

Read more at:

http://www.afa.net/the-stand/bible/2017/02/does-jesus-believe-in-immigration-restrictions-absolutely/

All good points, Shiloh.  As for these talking heads citing 'Jesus wouldn't do it'..... they probably don't even know who Jesus IS.

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9 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

We have heard endless bloviation from media types who have spent their entire journalistic careers in open hostility to Christianity suddenly pontificating about how un-Christian it is to build walls and restrict immigration to the United States. Why, we’re told, that’s not something Jesus would do! He himself was a refugee! How can you call yourself a Christian and not believe in letting anybody and everybody in? That’s what Jesus would do!

Now we know that people who think and talk like this are wrong. When Jesus came to Earth, he did not come as a refugee. He came as the rightful king, intent on reclaiming what had been stolen from him by the Prince of Darkness. When his parents took him to Egypt as a child, they didn’t go as refugees but as exiles who returned to their homeland as soon as they could. When his parents took him to Bethlehem, they didn’t go as refugees, they went as hard-working taxpayers doing their civic duty.

Biblically we know that there is a legitimate place for walls, for physical barriers designed for protection. God sent Nehemiah to Jerusalem to build one around the city to keep the bad guys out. We know that immigration bans under the right circumstances are appropriate, for God permanently banned immigration from the neighboring nations of Ammon and Moab because of their historic and implacable hostility to Israel.

But we know that building walls and using immigration restrictions are legitimate policies because Jesus will use them in his own kingdom.

Read more at:

http://www.afa.net/the-stand/bible/2017/02/does-jesus-believe-in-immigration-restrictions-absolutely/

And we know that the tactic of killing all of the enemy to include women, children and animals is also biblically supported.  Perhaps that is what we should be doing with the Muslims.  

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1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said:

And we know that the tactic of killing all of the enemy to include women, children and animals is also biblically supported.  Perhaps that is what we should be doing with the Muslims.  

Thanks for the non-response to the substance of the article.

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12 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

And we know that the tactic of killing all of the enemy to include women, children and animals is also biblically supported.  Perhaps that is what we should be doing with the Muslims.  

I see your point.

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21 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

And we know that the tactic of killing all of the enemy to include women, children and animals is also biblically supported.  Perhaps that is what we should be doing with the Muslims.  

Is that what you really want to do?  It would be against American law to do that.  Yes, it happened in Biblical times but I haven't heard God telling us to do it in our time.  I don't see how your post relates to what we think Jesus would think of restricting immigration.

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How do you see this?

1 Peter 2:13-16 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.

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1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

Is that what you really want to do?  It would be against American law to do that.  Yes, it happened in Biblical times but I haven't heard God telling us to do it in our time.  I don't see how your post relates to what we think Jesus would think of restricting immigration.

No, that is not what I want.  Then again I do not want a wall built either, so that was not really my point.

The OP brought up the Old Testament for examples of walls and of "immigration control".  So, why just cherry pick some of what they did, why not go with it all?  Seems a bit inconsistent to cherry pick just some things. 

I have not heard God telling us to build a wall, yet here we are using God telling people to build as wall as a reason why our's is ok.

Talking about what Jesus would think of restricting immigration is a dumb thing to do.  What is worse is taking allegorical language and using it to try and show that Jesus is all for walls and immigration control.   Do you really think our visa system is comparable to the Book of Life?

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3 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

No, that is not what I want.  Then again I do not want a wall built either, so that was not really my point.

The OP brought up the Old Testament for examples of walls and of "immigration control".  So, why just cherry pick some of what they did, why not go with it all?  Seems a bit inconsistent to cherry pick just some things. 

I have not heard God telling us to build a wall, yet here we are using God telling people to build as wall as a reason why our's is ok.

Talking about what Jesus would think of restricting immigration is a dumb thing to do.  What is worse is taking allegorical language and using it to try and show that Jesus is all for walls and immigration control.   Do you really think our visa system is comparable to the Book of Life?

No.  But what do you avve against building a wall?  It makes perfect sense to me.

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36 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

No.  But what do you avve against building a wall?  It makes perfect sense to me.

The wall is a terrible idea.  For decades we have not even tried to stem the tide if illegal immigration and now we are going to put up a wall.   That is like going all spring with your windows open with no screens on them.  Once you get tired of the flies you hire someone to come in and brick off your windows.

The wall is going to cost upwards of 20 billion dollars that we do not have and then each and every year it will need between 2 and 3 billion dollars of upkeep.  We have roads and bridges and dams falling apart all around us and now we are going to add a 1000 mile wall to the list of things that will be falling down in the near future. 

Where is the money going to come form after Trump cuts taxes?  Our children and grandchildren will be paying for a wall we built that they did not want.  It will become an eyesore and a millstone around the necks of future generations.  

All to stop a problem that exist because we the people wanted it to, we wanted the cheap labor, we wanted the cheap produce.  Illegal immigrants come here because there are people willing to pay them.  Why not go after those people instead of wasting 20 billion dollars. 

Or better yet, we have 95,000 troops in Europe alone.  Bring half them them home and station them on the border, you know, actually defending the country like they are supposed to be doing.   That is 47,000 troops to guard 1000 miles.  I think they can handle it.  That works out to 1 person every 37 yards.   Seems that would do the trick.  Then we do not waste 20 billion building a wall or billions each year maintaining the wall and we save money by our troops not being stationed in Europe.  It is a win-win.

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