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5 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

And we know that the tactic of killing all of the enemy to include women, children and animals is also biblically supported.  Perhaps that is what we should be doing with the Muslims.  

Actually this is probably what will happen during the Great Tribulation. The enemies of God and Christ will be destroyed and cast into the Lake of Fire.  In the meantime, some Muslims at least are getting saved.

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40 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

The wall is a terrible idea.  For decades we have not even tried to stem the tide if illegal immigration and now we are going to put up a wall.

Just because previous American governments have been negligent about the national security threat from south of the border does not mean that it is a non-threat.  Mexico has always been a problem for the USA for at least 300 years.  Time to deal with the problem.

As to no border wall before, it simply means that those previous governments were negligent, and should have been taken to task. No country in the world had a foolish open borders policy until the globalists decided to undermine the sovereignty of nations and their borders and create migrant invasions with illegals.

So a border wall as promised by Trump is an excellent idea, and many European countries are also erecting walls in the wake of Trump's resolve.  People should be thankful that Trump has resolved to protect America and put America first (totally unlike Obama).

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41 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Just because previous American governments have been negligent about the national security threat from south of the border does not mean that it is a non-threat.  Mexico has always been a problem for the USA for at least 300 years.  Time to deal with the problem.

As to no border wall before, it simply means that those previous governments were negligent, and should have been taken to task. No country in the world had a foolish open borders policy until the globalists decided to undermine the sovereignty of nations and their borders and create migrant invasions with illegals.

So a border wall as promised by Trump is an excellent idea, and many European countries are also erecting walls in the wake of Trump's resolve.  People should be thankful that Trump has resolved to protect America and put America first (totally unlike Obama).

Once again it is the ever popular false dichotomy starwman.   You are either for the all for for open borders because there is no possible solution in between those two things.  It is a waste of time to even bother having a discussion with someone that plays that card. 

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34 minutes ago, Cletus said:

They have tunnels that go under the rio grande to american soil.  The tunnels are big enough to drive trucks smuggling drugs.  There are 8 year old kids with mansions that are several million.  So I say, a wall is a good start.

They are building tunnels under the border, so let's build a wall!   Can't argue with logic like that.

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14 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

They are building tunnels under the border, so let's build a wall!   Can't argue with logic like that.

Right.  That wall would have to go deep enough underground to prevent any further tunneling, and to also monitor attempts to breach the wall from underneath.

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16 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

You are either for the all for for open borders because there is no possible solution in between those two things.

There is no "in between" solution when there is no desire in Mexico, Central, and South America (not to mention all the African and Arab hostiles being invited to Mexico) to stay put, and not come across illegally to commit murder and mayhem. You seem to forget that the vicious drug cartels are behind much of this, and work hand in hand with Islamist terrorists.

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2 minutes ago, Ezra said:

There is no "in between" solution when there is no desire in Mexico, Central, and South America (not to mention all the African and Arab hostiles being invited to Mexico) to stay put, and not come across illegally to commit murder and mayhem. You seem to forget that the vicious drug cartels are behind much of this, and work hand in hand with Islamist terrorists.

Here is the solution that involves neither a wall or open borders...

we have 95,000 troops in Europe alone.  Bring half them them home and station them on the border, you know, actually defending the country like they are supposed to be doing.   That is 47,000 troops to guard 1000 miles.  I think they can handle it.  That works out to 1 person every 37 yards.   Seems that would do the trick.  Then we do not waste 20 billion building a wall or billions each year maintaining the wall and we save money by our troops not being stationed in Europe.  It is a win-win.

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4 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Bring half them them home and station them on the border, you know, actually defending the country like they are supposed to be doing.

You know as well as I do that the cartels and the Islamists are ruthless, and would be happy to start a serious war along the border (possibly even using long range missiles), putting American lives at risk, similar to what happens along Israel's borders.  On the other hand a swarm of drones patrolling the border could do the job, but there is no substitute for a physical barrier IMO.  Adding drones to that would make it even more effective.

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1 minute ago, Ezra said:

You know as well as I do that the cartels and the Islamists are ruthless, and would be happy to start a serious war along the border (possibly even using long range missiles), putting American lives at risk, similar to what happens along Israel's borders.  On the other hand a swarm of drones patrolling the border could do the job, but there is no substitute for a physical barrier IMO.  Adding drones to that would make it even more effective.

So, you are saying that our military is not a match for the cartels?   What is the point of having a military if you are not going to defend your own country with it?

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