Guest shiloh357 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: There is no constitutional reason to give churches tax exemption and most do not deserve them as most churches charitable work is a miniscule part of their budget. Giving them tax exemptions was just another case of using the tax code for social engineering, and that is not the purpose of taxes Tax exemption is given to all non-profits. Churches should not be singled out to not receive them. And how do you know what churches spend on charitable work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 My concern isn't that God can't or won't use President Trump. It is what the Church's response to President Trump will be. If it is the Biblical command to pray for those who are given authority over us, then I'm fine with that. But if Churches, or perhaps more specifically the influential voices within the Church, refuse to speak truth to power where it is both warranted and appropriate, then I have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 7:54 AM, Out of the Shadows said: And, what has Trump done to slow or reverse the homosexual agenda and other forms of aberrant behavior? Frankly, he has bigger fish to fry, and if you were in his shoes, you would prioritize everything in order of importance. The real question should be "What have the gutless and spineless RINOs done to support Trump and move things along rapidly when they control both the Senate And Congress?". Shame on them for playing games instead of working to justify their existence. Obamacare should already have been repealed, and a new plan should already have been in place by now. This was not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Ezra said: Frankly, he has bigger fish to fry, and if you were in his shoes, you would prioritize everything in order of importance. The real question should be "What have the gutless and spineless RINOs done to support Trump and move things along rapidly when they control both the Senate And Congress?". Shame on them for playing games instead of working to justify their existence. Obamacare should already have been repealed, and a new plan should already have been in place by now. This was not rocket science. Price should have been nominated the first week or so of the presidency but was slow walked which is why things have been moving slow on replacing Obamacare. They have stymied a lot of work that needs to be done by keeping the nominations from happening. That's why things aren't getting done. They are trying to keep him as unproductive as they can during the first 100 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 3:24 PM, shiloh357 said: No, it's hateful, bitter hearts and minds that assign those kinds of labels to us. I don't think that is his agenda. He has never said that he intends to reverse the homosexual agenda. But rather, he is going to get rid of the Johnson Act or whatever it is called, that prevents churches from being politically active. Will churches be required to pay taxes then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/15/2017 at 4:20 AM, shiloh357 said: One has nothing to do with the other. Threatening churches with loss of tax exemption has always been a means of bullying churches into silence on the political issues of the day. Churches have nothing to do with politics. The people who make up the Church do. People can be as vocal as they want politically. Folks complain about Sharia law, but will then advocate for the churches to be able to be involved in politics. Its the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 53 minutes ago, ruck1b said: Churches have nothing to do with politics. The people who make up the Church do. People can be as vocal as they want politically. Folks complain about Sharia law, but will then advocate for the churches to be able to be involved in politics. Its the exact same thing. No, it is not the same thing. Sharia law is the governmental law and jurisprudence system of Islam. Churches advocating for certain candidate to office is not anywhere close to promoting Sharia law. No similarity at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 56 minutes ago, ruck1b said: Will churches be required to pay taxes then? Nope. Churches were tax exempt before the Johnson Amendment was enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, ruck1b said: Will churches be required to pay taxes then? They should be, but they won't be. There is no legit justification for them not to be paying taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruck1b Posted February 16, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 352 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: No, it is not the same thing. Sharia law is the governmental law and jurisprudence system of Islam. Churches advocating for certain candidate to office is not anywhere close to promoting Sharia law. No similarity at all. Lets stop pretending, I mean really. I'm sure you are smart enough to know its not going to be JUST advocating for a certain candidate. Again, why do Churches need to do such things. Those that make up the church already do it. Churches, business, and anything or one that is not an individual citizen should not have a say in the political process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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