markdohle Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2017 On the side of the downtrodden (For all, those who are Pro-Life and the Pro-Choice camp, the abortion issue is painful and heartbreaking) Human beings are so made that the ones who do the crushing feel nothing; it is the person crushed who feels what is happening. Unless one has placed oneself on the side of the oppressed, to feel with them, one cannot understand.—Simone Weil What is the difference between those who are Pro-Life and those who are Pro-Choice? I believe those who are Pro-Life understand that life is sacred and not a commodity. They understand that the life in the womb is not something to be snuffed out for any reason short of saving a woman’s life if it is in danger. Even then, there can still be a chance of saving the child. It is about intent. Abortion is the direct killing of a life that is helpless with no one to defend its right to life. Those who are Pro-Life know that. I believe that the Pro-Choice people are also acting for the rights of the mother, her right to terminate the life in the womb. It is what they focus on. What Pro-Choice people don’t understand is the horror of abortion for those who believe that a human life starts at conception and should be protected until natural death. For Pro-Choice people the life in the womb is only tissue, it is a way to not see more deeply into what is being done to those who cannot defend themselves. We seek the rights of animals, but the rights of those in the womb are rejected and even scorned. However, there is never an excuse for violence or for intimidation from those who are Pro-Life. Change comes from the people, the bottom up, not from the top, the government down. I doubt that abortion will go away anytime soon, for it is but a symptom of the deeper rot in our culture. I do believe that one day, the rights of the unborn; the most defenseless lives on this planet will be accepted. And our era will be looked backed upon with horror. Just as we look back on the time of slavery in this country. Both sides understand the human situation and how painful it can be for everyone. Having a child is serious business, yet we live in a society where sex without responsibility, or sex as a sport, is celebrated, yet the outcome of such activities is often rejected. Of course, we do this with all of our passions. Greed, look what it has done and is doing to the world. The suffering it is causing. Gluttony in all of its forms is also a cause of deep suffering for many. Anger, war, while seen as a true horror and evil, yet we continue to kill and destroy each other. Are we a species totally out of control? We do all kinds of things to escape the suffering in our lives, but in the end, we make things worse. I guess it has always been so, yet today it seems to be expanding at an accelerated speed. The crazy insane political climate in our country is just the tip of the iceberg for our society; it is merely the outcome of the deep dysfunction in how we as a people and individuals deal with our problems. I can say one thing, anger, violence; political infighting never accomplishes anything positive….well at least the way things are going at this time. I do believe that Christians and all people of good will are called not to become bitter, hateful, or violent, at this time. We are to pray and to simply do what we can to make our society a better place in which to live. We get in trouble when we look for outcomes, yet the fruit of our present actions may take years or generations to take fruit. We are like all those who have gone before us, locked in a historical struggle against chaos, evil and despair. We are called to pray, show mercy and compassion on all. Knowing that many get caught up in situations that get out of their control… Knowing this can help us to become a place of sanity and rest on all levels of society. On the side of the downtrodden (For all, those who are Pro-Life and the Pro-Choice camp, the abortion issue is painful and heartbreaking) Human beings are so made that the ones who do the crushing feel nothing; it is the person crushed who feels what is happening. Unless one has placed oneself on the side of the oppressed, to feel with them, one cannot understand.—Simone Weil What is the difference between those who are Pro-Life and those who are Pro-Choice? I believe those who are Pro-Life understand that life is sacred and not a commodity. They understand that the life in the womb is not something to be snuffed out for any reason short of saving a woman’s life if it is in danger. Even then, there can still be a chance of saving the child. It is about intent. Abortion is the direct killing of a life that is helpless with no one to defend its right to life. Those who are Pro-Life know that. I believe that the Pro-Choice people are also acting for the rights of the mother, her right to terminate the life in the womb. It is what they focus on. What Pro-Choice people don’t understand is the horror of abortion for those who believe that a human life starts at conception and should be protected until natural death. For Pro-Choice people the life in the womb is only tissue, it is a way to not see more deeply into what is being done to those who cannot defend themselves. We seek the rights of animals, but the rights of those in the womb are rejected and even scorned. However, there is never an excuse for violence or for intimidation from those who are Pro-Life. Change comes from the people, the bottom up, not from the top, the government down. I doubt that abortion will go away anytime soon, for it is but a symptom of the deeper rot in our culture. I do believe that one day, the rights of the unborn; the most defenseless lives on this planet will be accepted. And our era will be looked backed upon with horror. Just as we look back on the time of slavery in this country. Both sides understand the human situation and how painful it can be for everyone. Having a child is serious business, yet we live in a society where sex without responsibility, or sex as a sport, is celebrated, yet the outcome of such activities is often rejected. Of course, we do this with all of our passions. Greed, look what it has done and is doing to the world. The suffering it is causing. Gluttony in all of its forms is also a cause of deep suffering for many. Anger, war, while seen as a true horror and evil, yet we continue to kill and destroy each other. Are we a species totally out of control? We do all kinds of things to escape the suffering in our lives, but in the end, we make things worse. I guess it has always been so, yet today it seems to be expanding at an accelerated speed. The crazy insane political climate in our country is just the tip of the iceberg for our society; it is merely the outcome of the deep dysfunction in how we as a people and individuals deal with our problems. I can say one thing, anger, violence; political infighting never accomplishes anything positive….well at least the way things are going at this time. I do believe that Christians and all people of good will are called not to become bitter, hateful, or violent, at this time. We are to pray and to simply do what we can to make our society a better place in which to live. We get in trouble when we look for outcomes, yet the fruit of our present actions may take years or generations to take fruit. We are like all those who have gone before us, locked in a historical struggle against chaos, evil and despair. We are called to pray, show mercy and compassion on all. Knowing that many get caught up in situations that get out of their control… Knowing this can help us to become a place of sanity and rest on all levels of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2017 How can someone be a christian and get an abortion? When God clearly say, dont kill? I saw a testimony about a man that was in heaven met God he said God is crying his very spirit out about it, so upset and it fits my experience with Him about it when HE discussed it with me. Yes but- but I say but what about God? Nah if you cant take care of a child, you shouldnt have broke the command of outside marriage but in a marriage? Well does lust come in it? How? Well if you insisr do it and you know you CANT take care of a child, howcome it cant be lust? If you insist? It just doesnt ..fit.. So.. Tie the ropes inside? I would say yes. Or even better, no sex. If the babys on its way? Give it to loving adopting parents, that cant have children. That is much better than the other. But its strange, how everybody shout, 'abortion' when noone ever shout responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2017 Ive seen during my studies to a nurse how the aborted fosters looked like, what they did to them etc.. It was horrible. We were even told to just put them on a bench,, to die, if we had no other option. I thought I couldnt do that, that i wouldve took the baby as my own. I wouldve. How early developed they are, you even see all parts clearly just a few weeks. That should say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2017 Well its already started as Ove heard many nurses say, they thos and that so and so better off just die. And what about euthanasia. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Heavenunlimited said: How can someone be a christian and get an abortion? When God clearly say, dont kill? I saw a testimony about a man that was in heaven met God he said God is crying his very spirit out about it, so upset and it fits my experience with Him about it when HE discussed it with me. Yes but- but I say but what about God? Nah if you cant take care of a child, you shouldnt have broke the command of outside marriage but in a marriage? Well does lust come in it? How? Well if you insisr do it and you know you CANT take care of a child, howcome it cant be lust? If you insist? It just doesnt ..fit.. So.. Tie the ropes inside? I would say yes. Or even better, no sex. If the babys on its way? Give it to loving adopting parents, that cant have children. That is much better than the other. But its strange, how everybody shout, 'abortion' when noone ever shout responsibility. The stats show that Christians over the board, no matter their faith get abortions, just once. It is a sin, wrong, those who get abortions need mercy and forgiveness from God as well as healing. I speak to women who have had an abortion, they suffer deeply over it. Many times families and boyfriends force them. Some are fearful of being kicked out of their churches, which I doubt happens often. I am sure most churches show compassion would help anyone who sought help. Peace Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, Yowm said: It will end with the return of Jesus. This generation will only get worse. Today the babies in the womb, tomorrow perhaps the elderly in the homes. Barring a revival, human hearts only harden to the ways of God. Yes that is my fear, soon it will be the elderly. Peace mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19, 2017 Ive done that asked them they just oh, thats different theyre not in their sit blah blah. Sure we should still love and foremost, help those that had an abortion o rthinking it. Jus tnot encourage the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BacKaran Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Are we a species totally out of control? To those lost under the devil's grip, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted February 19, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Heavenunlimited said: Ive done that asked them they just oh, thats different theyre not in their sit blah blah. Sure we should still love and foremost, help those that had an abortion o rthinking it. Jus tnot encourage the act. Absolutely. Peace Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavenunlimited Posted February 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 606 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20, 2017 How can we protect more children, and the mothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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