Who is Doing the Forgiving

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37 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

The wages of sin is death.  To sin is to die or be separated from.  To sin against another is to put something between you and them.  Repentance is removing the obstacle causing the death or separation.

I am dead while I live but alive unto God after I die to myself.  This can only be achieved through Christ our Lord.

I live in the spirit though my flesh be dead already.  Who can separate me from the love of Christ?  I am dead and my life is hidden in Christ.  I present my body as a living sacrifices for his use and purpose that he might reconcile yet others unto God.

I have eternal life abiding in me.  I will never die because I am dead already.

To be dead in sin and to be dead to sin, two different things. Both are identity truths. To be dead in sin is to be identified with the first Adam, Adam in rebellion. God chose to accomplish a person being declare righteous for them not by way of improved performance or sinful conduct elimination but by way of new identification. This identification is what Paul is talking about in 2 Corinthians 5:17 and it’s what the word Sanctification is all about. A person’s old identity is passed away. All things are become new for them because it’s a brand new identity they have in the second Adam. This new in the Savior identity is based solely upon your faith in Jesus’ faithful accomplishment where he died for your sins. The question is, why should you want to continue dealing with God in your daily life, or supposing that God is dealing with you according to your previous identity in the first Adam when God no longer views you from that standpoint at all? This is our identity reality and Paul wants us to appreciate it.

 

Understand, this is an issue of vital importance, God told Paul a secret. Unsearchable simply means that which had never been made know, that which could never be search out about Jesus. The idea that Paul was simply taking the same message taught by John, taught by the 12 apostles, taught by Jesus during his earthly ministry, but Paul was taking that message in a different direction, same message, different direction. Something was different with Paul and something began with the apostle Paul. When Paul talks about placing no confidence in the flesh, he’s contrasting having Jesus’ righteousness freely imputed to the account of the believer with those who suppose that they can merit a righteous standing before God through commitment, through their performance, through their production. It’s only when we come to properly understand God from his perspective concerning ourselves, both before we came to understand Paul’s message and then what we are and who we are after we have believed Paul’s message and have been joined to God’s son, then we can be capable of viewing others and relating to others accordingly who are also members of the Savior’s body, of his flesh and of his bones. Ministers of righteousness teach the successful Christian life is all about reformed doing and commitments, they teach it wrong according to the apostle Paul. It’s all about transformed thinking. According to our apostle, the battle is taking place between the ears, between fleshy thinking and divine thinking. God’s work in us, not our work for God, major difference.

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15 minutes ago, Jewels7 said:

Have you read the epistle of 1st John? I think you are right there in what is delivered to the people of Christ, or as he calls them, little children, as per the other scriptures that speak of why he'd address the people so, and what is said about sin. 

Thank you for posting your thoughts here.  

1 John 1:9 - “sins” is a Double Metonymy, a figure of speech that replaces the name of a thing with the name of something else with which it is closely associated. A Figure of speech relates to the form in which the words are used. It consists in the fact that a word or words are used out of their ordinary sense, or place, or manner, for the purpose of attracting our attention to what is thus said. A Figure of speech is a designed and legitimate departure from the laws of language, in order to emphasize what is said. 

 

John was writing to the Israelites, but to the necessity of that confession for the Israelites. Ezekiel 36:26-28, when will this national sanctification come to fruition? When Israel is willing to accept Jesus as their messiah and admit they swore falsely when they entered into a covenant with God vowing they could merit a righteous standing before him through their performance. 

 

The confession was indeed called for. It was not about confessing the three lies on Monday and the bad attitude on Wednesday, and the idolatrous thinking on Friday, it was not about any of that. It was not an option testimony in the days of Jesus, it was a requirement for the remission of sins. It was the way people could be identified with the faith associated with the confession of Leviticus 26:40. 

 

Israel was continually being called upon to repent, to change their thinking. John called upon the nation to repent, the 12 called upon Israel to repent, and Jesus called upon the nation to repent, God wanted them to change their thinking about the source of their righteousness and the identity of their Messiah.

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45 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

The wages of sin is death.  To sin is to die or be separated from.  To sin against another is to put something between you and them.  Repentance is removing the obstacle causing the death or separation.

I am dead while I live but alive unto God after I die to myself.  This can only be achieved through Christ our Lord.

I live in the spirit though my flesh be dead already.  Who can separate me from the love of Christ?  I am dead and my life is hidden in Christ.  I present my body as a living sacrifices for his use and purpose that he might reconcile yet others unto God.

I have eternal life abiding in me.  I will never die because I am dead already.

That's a very unique point of view you have there.  

 

47 minutes ago, newnature said:

Paul had to remind people over and over again of his God given position. He had to remind them that he was not one of the 12. That his ministry was distinct and separate. His position was unique...that his message was brand new...that his ministry was different from that of the 12 and that it was divinely ordered. It wasn’t something he chose to do. Paul constantly had to emphasize his ministry, why? Because others were de-emphasizing his ministry. How many today would say we get our marching orders for the church today from the Apostle Paul and not from the 12? Tragically most people and sadly enough most Bible teaching pastors...most seminaries will tell you...Paul was simply preaching what the 12 before him had been preaching. What Jesus had been preaching. He was simply aiming their message at a different people. He was aiming their message at the Gentiles. They would say Paul was the Apostle “to” the Gentiles, rather he was the Apostle “of” the Gentiles. That is what’s being taught by pastors across the land today. Paul knew it was his responsibility to take the message of reconciliation out to a lost and dying world.

Most are going back to the 12, trying to rely upon what the 12 would tell them. How many know of Paul’s distinct message today? Are we moving toward truth or moving away form truth? The Savior did not send Paul to build upon or to add further truth to the message of those who preceded Paul. (Romans 15:20) The foundation they laid was of Jesus as Messiah to the nation Israel. The Messiah is promised to Israel for the ruling over of that Kingdom, that earthly Kingdom promised that nation. Paul would not to have wanted us to mix the message of the 12 in regard to God’s program to and with the nation Israel...with the message specifically given him for the Gentiles. Paul was given that brand new revelation. He would not have wanted us to add or mix earthly Kingdom truth with the message he dispensed. He went to great lengths to separate his ministry with the ministries of those before him. 1 Corinthians 3:10 - But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Place your faith in Jesus’ faithfulness and that alone. Any kind of works at all, even if they appear to be good works in your mind, that are done for the purpose attaining salvation or for the purpose of maintaining salvation or for the purpose of proving one’s salvation is a slap in the face of God who had to provide the gift of salvation, because people’s righteousness would be totally incapable of meriting it. Israel had a problem when it came to learning the lesson of their inability and the futility to gain righteousness through performance, and this needs to be perfectly clear in people’s minds lest they fall into the trap that many have fallen into today. God completely took works out of the equation when it came to gaining or maintaining salvation.

 

Some people are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth because they fear learning. Knowledge of the truth may cause them to have to change the truth they’ve been standing on for who knows how long, and that’s frightening thing for lot of people. It is much easier for many people to avoid learning then change in mid-stream. Paul’s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus and the 12. What traditions of the human race must be left behind in order to take the doctrine of Paul seriously. Pride will not let people swallow their own pill. What does it mean to die in your sins? It means to die with your identity in Adam number one, the Adam in rebellion; to die with that identification intact. Reconciliation and Sanctification, two different judicial transactions. God reconciled the entire world; believers and non-believers alike to himself through the blood of the second Adam. Now, a person needs to be placed into God’s son, so that they can have his son’s righteousness attributed freely to their account.

I think Paul's letters are what make for many people who believe he was creating his own doctrine and authority using God's name. The first part of your post reiterates what I've heard to that end over the years. 

1 hour ago, Littlelambseativy said:

Just because Jesus died for our sins, past present and future, does not mean that when we sin we do not ask the Father to forgive us our wrongdoing. There will be a day of accounting for all of our sins that are not confessed. I would rather do that now and acknowledge that I misstepped and seek God's forgiveness. It would be arrogant of me a child of God to think when I did something wrong that I should not say, "I'm sorry. Forgive me."

 

When we are saved God remembers our sins no more. How are we then accounting sin after that? When sin is what separated us from God before our repentance and salvation by God's grace. 

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8 minutes ago, Jewels7 said:

That's a very unique point of view you have there.  

 

I think Paul's letters are what make for many people who believe he was creating his own doctrine and authority using God's name. The first part of your post reiterates what I've heard to that end over the years. 

When we are saved God remembers our sins no more. How are we then accounting sin after that? When sin is what separated us from God before our repentance and salvation by God's grace. 

The law had authority over us before we found out that we had our discharge papers. It was tormenting us. It still torments many people as they think that God is relating to them on that basis. It was hounding us and goading us and it was threatening us and now we are discharged from the law. We have been set free. The Savior issued the discharge papers and Paul delivered those papers. We can look back at the law now and we can say, “You can not touch me anymore! Your condemnation will have no effect on me whatsoever! I know the parameters. I no longer fear the repercussions of your rulership. I know the condemnation you bring because of the emotions you stir up in the weakness of my flesh.” Well, our blessings are not based on our performance in any way, shape, or form. Our blessings are based on Jesus’ performance, because we are members of his flesh. How many blessings do we have according to the apostle Paul? All blessings in Heaven, the place of our citizenship. All things are lawful unto me now. I am going to stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith I have been made free and I will not be entangled again with your yoke of bondage. God did away with the law-husband relationship through the death of his son.

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Our sin is covered. But in asking forgiveness of God is like saying, " I'm sorry that I transgressed your love and that the sacrifice Jesus paid for my sin." Yes the sin is covered by Jesus blood but we acknowledge our transgressing of that sacrifice when we ask for forgiveness. 

Do do you find it difficult to say, I'm sorry? Forgive me? It cost the Saviour His life. Redemption is ours and eternal life because He lives. What does it cost you to say, "I'm sorry. Forgive me Father."

 

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21 minutes ago, Littlelambseativy said:

Our sin is covered. But in asking forgiveness of God is like saying, " I'm sorry that I transgressed your love and that the sacrifice Jesus paid for my sin." Yes the sin is covered by Jesus blood but we acknowledge our transgressing of that sacrifice when we ask for forgiveness. 

Do do you find it difficult to say, I'm sorry? Forgive me? It cost the Saviour His life. Redemption is ours and eternal life because He lives. What does it cost you to say, "I'm sorry. Forgive me Father."

 

God, I know that you knew all about my failure when it comes to my current predicament. You already knew the part that I had to play in this incident. You knew about it before I was born. Thank you for not charging my sin to my account and that your’ve already charged them to the account of your son. Thank you, that you no longer see me in my sin. You can only see me in the Savior’s righteousness. How might I be useful in showing the love of the Savior that was shown to me; (Philippians 4:6) don’t let stress over people become the thief of your joy. How might I be useful in doing what is in the best interest of; you're going to relay it to God. Not that God didn’t already know all about it before it ever occurred, but relaying it to God allows you to oral it and express your thoughts. That’s why right on the heals of Paul’s statement by prayer and supplication he adds...with thanksgiving. Philippians 4:7, the peace that comes from his Word...the peace that comes from trusting who he is.

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2 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

Our sin is covered. But in asking forgiveness of God is like saying, " I'm sorry that I transgressed your love and that the sacrifice Jesus paid for my sin." Yes the sin is covered by Jesus blood but we acknowledge our transgressing of that sacrifice when we ask for forgiveness. 

Do do you find it difficult to say, I'm sorry? Forgive me? It cost the Saviour His life. Redemption is ours and eternal life because He lives. What does it cost you to say, "I'm sorry. Forgive me Father."

 

Those who are in Christ do not sin?

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5 minutes ago, Jewels7 said:

Those who are in Christ do not sin?

Romans 12:3, faith’s standard. A person who believes that sin in others proves a lack of salvation is a person who’s over looking the sin in themselves. That individual is thinking more highly of themselves than they ought. Bent towards self never disappears. We all have a bent towards an idolatry mind-set at times. Paul didn’t expect it to disappear. Paul didn’t say eliminate your sin nature all together, instead Paul said mortify it, meaning render it functionally inoperative. In other words, don’t allow it to reach it’s final culmination which is separation and division. While it will always be present with you, you don’t have to allow it to rule and reign in your life or to fracture others who happen across your path. Viewing God appropriately, viewing ourselves appropriately and viewing other appropriately. 

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1 hour ago, newnature said:

Romans 12:3, faith’s standard. A person who believes that sin in others proves a lack of salvation is a person who’s over looking the sin in themselves. That individual is thinking more highly of themselves than they ought. Bent towards self never disappears. We all have a bent towards an idolatry mind-set at times. Paul didn’t expect it to disappear. Paul didn’t say eliminate your sin nature all together, instead Paul said mortify it, meaning render it functionally inoperative. In other words, don’t allow it to reach it’s final culmination which is separation and division. While it will always be present with you, you don’t have to allow it to rule and reign in your life or to fracture others who happen across your path. Viewing God appropriately, viewing ourselves appropriately and viewing other appropriately. 

What did Jesus say? And his Disciples/Apostles ? 1 John 3:7-8

According to Jesus one is either a sinner or a righteous person possessing saving faith by God's grace.

I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)

We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him. (John 9:31)

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2 hours ago, Yowm said:

Ok, could you lay out the specifics where  Paul  differed from Peter, John and James. Sure, he revealed some mysteries for the Church age but I wouldn't consider that a separate message. We also see that whatever meassage Paul brought it had Peter's stamp of approval...

and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
(Gal 2:9)

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
(2Pe 3:15-16)

 

At one point in time a Gentile could approach Israel, but they could not approach God. Only Israel could do that. If you were a Gentile you had to come Israel’s way. They had to take part in the circumcision which was the sign of those under the covenant. They had to bring the proper sacrifices in connection with that covenant. In other wards, they had to take hold of the covenant or lay hold of the covenant is the expression used in the Bible. NOW all of a sudden it’s Paul’s job, his special responsibility to convince the Gentiles and the Israelites a like and he has to do that in the face of much Israelite opposition that God is at this time doing something brand new. Now Paul was telling the Gentiles that they can come directly to God. No longer do they need to come through the nation Israel. No longer is their manner of life to be the manner of life that God had prescribed for Israel under the covenant. Things are different now. The Gentiles can come to God apart from Israel and apart from their program all together because that program was put on hold as God ushered in this new program through the Apostle Paul. Romans 11:13, you see why Paul was magnifying that special position God was giving him?