Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 2017-03-02 at 2:46 AM, 1to3 said: Well I have been to Sweden many times, throughout the course of my life, but yes only as a visitor. Its a very beautiful, country. Like here and everywhere not all agree with the current governments or what is going on with the current migrants situation. The mass migrant situation is something new to Sweden. Sweden has changed in the last 1o plus years because of this new influx of middle eastern migrants fleeing war torn countries. I have not been following so closely politics in Sweden , but i wounder if the governments ruling in these years as well as the United Nation has had something to do with the country having to take in so many migrants. When my uncle came from Sweden to visit us in Montreal Canada the 199o ies, he said to my mother that Montreal was like the united nations. lol. Because,especially at that time there were very few black africans, Indians, or middle eastern people making their lives in Sweden. But Montreal has changed a lot . I have noticed in the last fourteen years, that the population has grown , their are more cars, more traffic and many more immigrants of people coming from poorer countries. Things have changed, there is a lot more violent crimes too. about Sweden... Sweden also is changing, and with it comes other problems, and safety issues is amongst one of them. Because Sweden being such a vast country, many parts of the country have yet to feel the full strain that a migration of a certain culture and religion can bring on. Because of the Muslim migration situation, seeing people daily in full burkas is a new thing . Everything is changing everywhere, we have to find solutions in order that everyone try to live and be respectful of everyone else. But now you have the rich and well established in Sweden that mingle amongst themselves and really can't be to bothered to much as yet, as they can choose to live in places that are not yet as effected as the main cities like some places that have no go zones like in Stockholm or Malmö . Some of the new immigrants may envy the well established Swedes, and they don't necessarily understand the Swedish culture or wish to embrace it or integrate into it. And Swedes already being somewhat of a reserved people, by there culturally reserved ways, may not help the newly immigrated to feel so welcome , just because their cultural way is a more reserved way. Also there will be now perhaps more of a difference between culture and classes. The poorer coveting, judging the richer and the problems that that brings on Swedes mostly are a happy folk, they stick with themselves, they are private, polite people, and live as certain clean and ordered, reserved, and healthy life style,much more so than North America.When i was in Sweden last year it felt like i was going back to the better times of the 1980ies here in Canada, when most people still dressed nicely most everywhere in good quality clothing, and places were kept more proper and orderly. Its still is like that in Sweden. Most people in Sweden are calm and polite. It is part of their culture. This is what I have seen. it still is a very beautiful and prosperous country, yet even so that be, I did hear a Muslim shop owner who came only four years ago to Sweden from Seria, find something to complain about the Swedes. For sure ,the Swedes they always try to show welcome to a visitor and do try and show welcome also to the newly arrived migrants. But they have their ways , their culture that they enjoy, and enjoy them with like minded other Swedes or people wanting to embrace their culture. The difference comes along to be a problem when someone new tries to impose themselves on already establishes cultures and ways of life and tries to change them. The problem is not only in Sweden, it is now also in Canada, the U.S.A., Germany, France England and other... I am not surprised by what Saktmodug says . She like many Swedes, is educated, knows and speaks English very well, people from Sweden are mostly well educated and can speak and write English. They are intelligent and an orderly people, they enjoy and expect quality over quantity and they have very good technology and natural resources. Saktmodug points of view, not surprisingly from where she comes from, resounds very liberal view points, like the majority of Swedes, but also in Sweden, there are different political powers, different ideologies, religious beliefs and not every Swede agrees with another, but yes, the Swedes likes and try as a culture to be polite and respectful to all and give people the benefit of the doubt. As Christians I think we need to be patient and receiving of anyone truly searching Gods truth through the bible. We as Christians can only lead by example, and how we discuss things amoungst one another should also be demonstrated by Christ like example. Being or becoming a Christians is a process and we are all at different learning curves. Patience, loving patience is necessary when teaching . Where I was with my walk with God ten years ago and where I am with my walk with God today, has progressed as the Holy Spirit of God has been working in my heart and keeps working in my heart. Over the years, step by step, I have given up so many things that the world lives by, I have no desire to live by the ways of the world, I truly seek God with all my heart and soul, and desire to get more and more close to God. This too has separated me from the friends that i used to know as they live by world standards and not much by any moral biblical standards and so sadly our roads part and now i pray for them at a distance. Yes there is such a thing as living with a semblance of good but denying its power This we see everywhere also, and liberal governments want to promote this goodness semblance of goodness, and so then this kind of government and its goodness is also reflected in the people, in the churches the people attend. When you know better you do better... forgive them father for they do, for they do not know what they do... Finding today a good and Godly church that stands by the standards of the Word of God is difficult to find. The best place to find Gods truth it is looking for yourself in the bible and before even opening your bible, pray to God that His Holy spirit quietly teach and guide your heart towards HIS Truth. 2 Timothy 3:5 4traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 6They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions,… Romans 12:2 1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.… Actually, Sweden have been very generous towards refugees since World War II. In the 70's we received a lot of refugees from Chile, for example. Speaking of World War II, you have to understand the part Sweden played to understand current Swedish migration policies. We did not fight in WWII, what we did do was to receive refugees from our neighboring countries. That has been our pride, the one thing that justifies that we did not stand up against the nazis. Because if we had we would not have been able to be a safe haven for refugees fleeing the Holocaust. You say that not everyone in Sweden are agreeing with current policies. True, but historically the only ones speaking out against helping refugees have been neo-nazis. Naturally most people have been wanting to distance themselves from that. The only party Not supporting helping refugees has it's roots in the (very small) nazi-movement in Sweden. Therefore they were seen as a pariah by all other parties, and it is, or at least has been very stigmatized to vote for them. I guess they have policies that resembles that of the Republican Party in the US a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 2017-03-07 at 3:04 PM, Davida said: Yes Sweden looks beautiful , the problem is not apparent to tourists. The migrants will not be assimilating to Sweden's liberal culture. Some do, some do not. Anyway, Sweden is very segregated, so the ones not assimilating is usually not troubling natives, but only each other and their own families. Which is bad enough of coarse, but while in Sweden at least they have a choice, women or children abused can leave their husbands or parents behind and assimilate themselves. They would not have had that opportunity had they stayed in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyprayers Posted March 10, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 209 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2017 Does someone On 3/1/2017 at 0:53 PM, Out of the Shadows said: Have you spent much time in Sweden? Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) On 2017-03-07 at 1:47 PM, Temp said: from what i heard those stats are very confusing,even on Fox they could not get to the bottom of it i have read some websites that says antisemitism is on the rise in Sweden, but again, these days you don't really know who you can trust when it comes to your source of news. either way, i "personally" think that when you get adult migrants, or even younger migrants coming in, they may already be set in their ways. especially with the religion of Islam, the likelihood of Muslim abandoning their religion seems smaller than we born again Christian abandoning our. unless God open their eyes. but then again, God never promised He will convert all immigrants. and I never bought into the crap logic that Western Countries should open its doors to mass migrants just so "we can convert them" lets face it, we are not making that much progress without our own fellow countrymen are we? it seems less and less Westerners are interested in Christianity these days yet many Christians seem want to use the logic that we should open doors to all those migrants just so we can convert them? why don't we start with our own fellow countrymen first? Matthew 22New King James Version (NKJV) The Parable of the Wedding Feast 22 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’ 5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests. Edited March 10, 2017 by Saktmodig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted March 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, tinyprayers said: Does someone Have you? Nope, one of the few countries I have never been to. Which is why I am hesitant to state what life is like there based off of biased news stories. If someone only saw stories about Chicago and Detroit and St Louis they might have a very low view of the US that most of us living here do not share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, tinyprayers said: Does someone Have you? I have. I do right now. And right now it is 9 pm here, it is dark outside and rather cold. I am still at work but will soon be going home. Or not going, jogging. I will go out to jogg for 45 minutes through the central parts of one of Swedens largest cities, including running through a big, sparsely lit park. I am female. I am not afraid. I do this often. A lot of Swedish men and women do. That is how safe Sweden is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 30 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: My daughter just called this morning and told me she is going to Sweden for a week next month. I look forward to what she has to say about the country after a first hand view of it, instead of relying on biased media coverage. How nice! Which part is she visiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted March 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.69 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Saktmodig said: How nice! Which part is she visiting? I am not sure yet, she did not have a lot of time to talk, just called to tell us. She is very excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said: I am not sure yet, she did not have a lot of time to talk, just called to tell us. She is very excited. I hope she has a nice time here! April is nice for skiing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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