Daniel 11:36 Posted March 15, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 15, 2017 "As I have already said there are TWO beasts. Revelation 13 is largely Babylon, not the person directly. This is getting off topic anyway" There are two beasts incorporated .... and they are both fallen angels One is Abaddon/Apollyon .... the other is the false prophet It is Satan who offers this combination for deception to the world Both will be very different and not human However, there will be human components involved The first beast will enter the human little horn of Daniel's visions regarding the time of the end [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:4] [2 Thessalonians 2:3-12] The second will control the two religious clerics of the Sunni and Shiite divides of the Muslims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted March 15, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 15, 2017 6 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: "Calithumpian" lol, good one. There is nothing out there though that says we wont see the a/c before we get Raptured. Its only that we may see him before he comes to power. The Rapture of the Church will occur before the Tribulation. The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,” Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2017 Matthew 24 v 29-31 and Mark 13 v 27 says "AFTER the tribulation He will gather His elect from the earth"...does not sound like pre trib.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2017 Only satan and him alone can be the antichrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2017 Revelation 13:1-4 Satan is the master inventor of his "antichrist" who sits on the top and administers his flawed idea The beast is the "antichrist" operating in the little horn of Daniel's visions of the time of the end of this present age Once concluded, the beast, little horn, and false prophet will be sent to the Lord's lake of fire [Revelation 19:19-21] .... and Satan will be sent to the abyss during the Lord's millennial kingdom [Revelation 20:1-3] Satan is not the "antichrist" but one who is determined to usurp the Lord, even if he is sent to the earth and barred from heaven [Revelation 12:12] Once his plan is defeated he will be sequestered in the abyss for 1000 years You need to understand this truth n2thelight .... otherwise your idea will lead you to your current rendering of the prophetic scriptures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 19 hours ago, HAZARD said: The Rapture of the Church will occur before the Tribulation. The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,” Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape. Oh heck I knew all that . I have always been a pre Trib Rapture believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 23 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "As I have already said there are TWO beasts. Revelation 13 is largely Babylon, not the person directly. This is getting off topic anyway" There are two beasts incorporated .... and they are both fallen angels One is Abaddon/Apollyon .... the other is the false prophet It is Satan who offers this combination for deception to the world Both will be very different and not human However, there will be human components involved The first beast will enter the human little horn of Daniel's visions regarding the time of the end [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:4] [2 Thessalonians 2:3-12] The second will control the two religious clerics of the Sunni and Shiite divides of the Muslims No, Abaddon/Apollyon is the angel with the key to the bottomless pit. Something I learned recently too. Anyone ever keep up with the stuff regarding the CERN particle accelerator and all the havoc that it could possibly cause, rather like wearing holes in an old carpet? CERN, and this CANT be coincidence, is actually built in a town that has ruins of an ancient temple to Apollyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted March 16, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2017 Abaddon/Apollyon is the "antichrist It is Satan who holds the key to the abyss [Revelation 9:1; 13:4] Here is Abaddon in the human little horn [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-8; 16:1-15; 17:8-18; 19:19-21] The human little horn is the subject of [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7] Abaddon will be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire at the end of the battle of Armageddon Satan will then be sent to the abyss for 1000 years [Revelation 20:1-3] There is a divide between the end of the 69 week and Jesus Christ's cutting off and the beginning of the 70th week decreed which is still pending .... the coming tribulation period Here it is [Daniel 11:21-35 ..... Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7] Stick to the Bible for the Lord's truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted March 17, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2017 In the days of Genesis, Some of Satan's angels mingled with the daughters of men. They produced children. These particular angels crossed the line and were punished by being put into a spiritual prison. They are deep in the earth, locked away in the bottomless pit and are not allowed out. Satan and his other angels are roaming the earth free, but these other ones who cannot roam free have a leader over them and his name is Abaddon/Appolyon. As God has given all things into Christ's hands, Christ is the one who has dominion over all the angels, good and bad, therefore Christ holds the keys. Christ sends his holy angel down to unlock that prison where those angels are locked up. These angels were not destroyed during the flood, but preserved for God's wrath against mankind. They will be let out and they have a leader over them. We know this angels name. He is not Satan, but one of his angels, and in charge of his troop who are commanded to complete their mission against all those who have not the seal of God. Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Christ holds the keys to everything. It's all in Christ's timing and at his command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted March 17, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2017 True for the most part, but Satan is the one falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1 [Revelation 12:12] He is also noted here [Revelation 8:10] He is also the one who gives power and authority to his beast of Revelation 13:1-4 .... this is Abaddon Abaddon will be in the human little horn of Daniel's visions during the coming tribulation [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7; Micah 5:5-6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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