Thirteen Heresies in THE SHACK

[angels4u]

12 minutes ago, Gus said:

The Shack is a novel, it is not a replacement or an extension of the Bible and neither is it trying to be. The book try to wrestle with the themes of God's love and forgiveness, judgement, why evil exists, loss and grief and many more.

Personally, I enjoyed both the look and the film. I may not agree with all of it, but I don't have to. I still feel it is powerful and ultimately its message is one of hope.

Hi Gus,

It didn't bother you that the book is so controversial to the Bible?

I don't know if you're a Christian?

[Guest shiloh357]

19 minutes ago, Gus said:

The Shack is a novel, it is not a replacement or an extension of the Bible and neither is it trying to be. The book try to wrestle with the themes of God's love and forgiveness, judgement, why evil exists, loss and grief and many more.

Personally, I enjoyed both the look and the film. I may not agree with all of it, but I don't have to. I still feel it is powerful and ultimately its message is one of hope.

The author admits that it is theology.   It is theology in the form of a novel.   It is heretical theology that is put in a reader friendly format.  It presents a false view of God and that is not a message of hope.

[angels4u]

5 hours ago, Willie T said:

What did you think about the scene on page 152 and following?

I started reading the book but after reading the controversial things against the Bible, I felt a very strong conviction to stop reading the book because it's pure blasphemy and very disrespectful against a Holy God.

What did you think when you read the book?

Please listen to this link and let me know what you think after listening to Michael Youssef?

search Michael Yoessef and  "The Shack"

 

[angels4u]

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Dave Aldrich

April 4, 2017 · 

Some of you know that I was involved with designing “The Shack” book. At that time, over 10 years ago, I was captivated by the story and felt honored to be part of the graphic creation of the book. I was so drawn into it, wanting to know the God it portrayed. There’s no doubt that the story has deeply spoken to many.

I have deep regrets now of not just being involved with it but also in promoting it. The movie release of The Shack has brought all this back to my mind and I felt the need to apologize to all who I may have led astray by my promoting the book. I look back and see how little discernment I had. And I regret and apologize also for waiting this long to publicly share this.

WHAT’S THE PROBLEM? There are many, but the greatest being that it advocates what is called Universal Reconciliation or Universal Salvation. Meaning, since Jesus died for all then all are saved whether they believe it and receive Him personally or not. This is a grave distortion of John 3:16. One just needs to read the rest of that passage to understand that there is a condition for salvation in that one must believe in and accept Christ as Savior personally:

"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." —John 3:18

One is indeed saved by God’s grace, but we have this thing called “free will” to receive or reject His grace, His free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Many will still say that the book was intended as just a work of fiction, but the author himself, William Paul Young, is quoted as saying, “The Shack is theology. But it is a theology wrapped in a story.”

Embracing The Shack, as I did, led me to other books, other authors who had started out on the straight and narrow, having solid Biblical beliefs, but strayed off into apostasy land. Rob Bell, Jim Palmer, Brian McLaren, to name a few of those by whom I was inspired. That "inspiration" led me to the edge of this Universalist belief. I thank the Lord that He pulled me back from that edge.

The Shack’s story wonderfully painted this picture to me of an incredibly knowable and loving God, one full of forgiveness, but without being judgmental. The fact is that there are two inseparable sides to God. He is both love and judge.

“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on Him.” —John 3:36

Again, this thing called “free will” has given us the ability to willfully accept God’s gracious gift of His Son, Jesus, who died on a cross to save us from our sins, or willfully reject His gracious gift. Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world, but tragically most of the world has and will refuse Him.

For more on The Shack you can find plenty of reviews online, such as:

https://www.thebereancall.org/…/when-people-say-shack-just-…

http://www.patheos.com/…/how-the-shack-distorts-our-view-o…/

http://www.patheos.com/…/e2me…/2017/02/wwutt-shack-vs-bible/

 

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[creativemechanic]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

The Shack is a novel, it is not a replacement or an extension of the Bible and neither is it trying to be. The book try to wrestle with the themes of God's love and forgiveness, judgement, why evil exists, loss and grief and many more.

Personally, I enjoyed both the look and the film. I may not agree with all of it, but I don't have to. I still feel it is powerful and ultimately its message is one of hope.

see theirin lies the danger. u once had this convo with someone. i pointed out the discrepancies in the movie and lies but they defend it because it's message was nice  and they liked it. A lie is still a lie and deception is still deception

[Gus]

2 hours ago, creativemechanic said:

see theirin lies the danger. u once had this convo with someone. i pointed out the discrepancies in the movie and lies but they defend it because it's message was nice  and they liked it. A lie is still a lie and deception is still deception

I don't see a danger. It is a work of art, and the like the best woks of art its goal is to get people talking and minds thinking, which is what we are doing here. I read it is a novel, and I never felt like the book was pushing an agenda. 

The book does raise questions that people in the world are interested in.

If people do ask about it, rather than come across so dismissive, we can use it to open up a meaningful discussion.

Is this book really any different from films such as Bruce Almighty or What Dreams May Come or classic books like The Divine Comedy, The Screwtape Letters, The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe etc

Far from turning people away form the truth, often I find these types of works draw people closer, and then the holy spirit can do the rest.

I had to stop watching the recent big budget 'The Bible' series, once angels turned up to save Lot and his family and started fighting people likes Ninja's. Now that is a lie trying desperately to portray itself as a truth.

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Gus

[Willie T]

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

 

I quoted all 13 points in the OP exposing the danger of the Shack and asked you if you agreed with those points. I did not quote your own post. Do you agree with those 13 points?

I answered those 13 points in my own post..... that I guess you didn't read.

Edited June 18, 2018 by Willie T

[Willie T]

All I have asked is for one of you — any of you — to show specifically where there are passages in Young's book that correspond to the supposed heresies claimed.  So far, no one has attempted to do that.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Everyone here would agree,  Its impossible to be born again ,  WITHOUT the grace of GOD .   That if we truly are born again , THE SPIRIT IS within us .

SO ,   if we are being drawn into books that make a mock OF JESUS ,   that openly say we don't have to believe in him and still are saved ,  THAT contradict JESUS message of salvation

Which says we must believe from the heart and CONFESS him with our mouth .    IF we think GOD honors witchcraft cause its in Disney and approves of harry potter books

and this shack.    THEN we aer NOT being LED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT from A HOLY GOD .    AND THIS IS FACT .   THE HOLY SPIRIT would not draw us into

ANYTHING no matter how well its cloaked in false love ,   IN ORDER to draw us closer TO HIM.   I stand on what I said . THE shack is dung .    And I refuse to say otherwise .

ITS vile , its wicked and as usual the way they win the lost to it ,  IS Make it seem all LOVING and ALL FORGIVING but all the while Crafitly create

a whole image of GOD that does not exist.   GOD don't honor UNIVERSAL SALVATION.  ITS A MOCK TO JESUS .  A MOCK .    That is deadly serious .   The book is dung .

[Willie T]

As I said, you can keep on hollering all day about all the "bad" things about the book, but until you can say "On page such-and-such, Young said "THIS" ", then you have done nothing but squawked about what it seems someone else told you to feel.

Edited June 18, 2018 by Willie T