woundeddog Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yes, all babies do go to heaven. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 "Predestination?" No, that is not why children go to heaven when they die. Yes, GOD does know who will and will not accept Christ as their Savior. But that is foreknowledge on the part of GOD, not predestination. Scripture teaches us, in Romans 8:28-30 "And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified." First come the foreknowledge, then the predestination. The reason that children go to heaven is because until they understand the law and the sin nature, they, because of GOD's Justice, are not held responsible and therefore have not sinned in the eyes of GOD. God is love and His concern for children is evident in Matthew 18:14 where Jesus says, “Your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.” People go to hell because they choose in willful rebellion and unbelief to reject God and His grace. Children are incapable of this kind of conscious rejection of God. Where such rebellion and willful disobedience is absent, God is gracious to receive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said: "Predestination?" No, that is not why children go to heaven when they die. Yes, GOD does know who will and will not accept Christ as their Savior. But that is foreknowledge on the part of GOD, not predestination. Scripture teaches us, in Romans 8:28-30 "And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified." First come the foreknowledge, then the predestination. The reason that children go to heaven is because until they understand the law and the sin nature, they, because of GOD's Justice, are not held responsible and therefore have not sinned in the eyes of GOD. God is love and His concern for children is evident in Matthew 18:14 where Jesus says, “Your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.” People go to hell because they choose in willful rebellion and unbelief to reject God and His grace. Children are incapable of this kind of conscious rejection of God. Where such rebellion and willful disobedience is absent, God is gracious to receive. Yes, I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2017 Does anyone or anything "unclean" get to heaven ? (no) Why ? Ephesians 5:5 KJ21 For this ye know: that... nor unclean person, ..., hath any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Owl Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 178 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yes, of course all babies go to Heaven. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2017 Even if they are "unclean" ? (according to YHWH'S WORD (BIBLE) and not man's thoughts nor emotions nor feelings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 21, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2017 23 hours ago, simplejeff said: Does anyone or anything "unclean" get to heaven ? (no) Why ? Ephesians 5:5 KJ21 For this ye know: that... nor unclean person, ..., hath any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God. What's that have to do with the question of babies going to Heaven? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 An infant, up to the time they can understand the difference between right and wrong, is not "unclean." God does not count a transgression as "sin" unless the person committing it has the mental and spiritual capacity to understand that it is a sin. Your position indicates that God would judge a person and send them to hell when the person was not able to understand what they did wrong. We know that position is false. Pelagius couldn't have stated it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 27, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/21/2017 at 0:41 PM, Jewels7 said: What's that have to do with the question of babies going to Heaven? There is one or more reference by YHWH to unclean children (any age? perhaps) ...... in HIS WORD. There is likewise some support that babies go to heaven, and that they don't, in HIS WORD. A lot of people seem to think it is already known or determined one way or the other.(but not by HIS WORD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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