woundeddog Posted May 22, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just now, siegi91 said: Do you know more that him yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegi91 Posted May 22, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 12 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,788 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, woundeddog said: yes Alright. But you have to agree, on pure logical grounds, that Satan existence is a no issue, if pre-destination is true. If he exists or not, if does things or not, that is totally irrelevant towards the final result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted May 22, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, siegi91 said: Alright. But you have to agree, on pure logical grounds, that Satan existence is a no issue, if pre-destination is true. If he exists or not, if does things or not, that is totally irrelevant towards the final result. A much more important question is-- what Jesus has done for mankind and why some choose him and some dont-- where do you stand on that??-- Satan is really a non-issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegi91 Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 12 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,788 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, woundeddog said: A much more important question is-- what Jesus has done for mankind and why some choose him and some dont-- where do you stand on that??-- Satan is really a non-issue Well, I am pre-destined for Hell, since I am an atheist. Apparently. I really don't know what can I do, if pre-destination is true. But it could be that I am pre-destined to Heaven. In that case, I will convert before I die. Will see. That is beyond my control. Like someone would say: 1) if you can change things, don't worry 2) If you cannot, don't worry, either So, I do not worry. It would be irrational to do that, under the premise of pre-determination. And if Satan is really a non-issue, what sense does it make to call something a "satanic scheme"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, siegi91 said: Well, I am pre-destined for Hell Gods offer of heaven is open to any one--Â he does know who will choose what-- but he does not force any one to say yes or no-- we are still accountable for our choices--- I think maybe you would like to say yes to him-- although you are a professing athiest you are asking questions on a Christian site--- ya know-- could be God starting to work in your heart--- dont quit too soon-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegi91 Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 12 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,788 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, woundeddog said: Gods offer of heaven is open to any one-- he does know who will choose what-- but he does not force any one to say yes or no-- we are still accountable for our choices--- I think maybe you would like to say yes to him-- although you are a professing athiest you are asking questions on a Christian site--- ya know-- could be God starting to work in your heart--- dont quit too soon-- Believe me. I am a strong atheist. Compared to me, an agnostic is a pious man. And I ask questions to different believers: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. That does not obviously entail that I tend towards any of those creeds. I am actually quite ecumenic about my disbelief. Liberals also debate Conservatives, and vice-versa, and that does not logically entail anything towards them being attracted by the position of their opponent. So, Yes. I could choose Jesus. But if pre-destination is true, and I am pre-destined to Heaven, I am sure I will. Now, I have no intention to do that since, at present, I have zero faith about any supernatural claim. And if my final destiny is fixed since the beginning of time, then there is nothing really I can do to change that. If you are right, I will go to Hell. If you are not, we will both go to the same place we were before being born (assuming there is not another God acting differently from your God). The good news for you is: I will never be able to prove you wrong about the existence of God.   siegi   Edited May 23, 2017 by siegi91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, siegi91 said: : I will never be able to prove you how old are you?? maybe 30?? lets revist this in 70 years-- I bet you will see things my way--- :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siegi91 Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 12 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,788 Content Per Day: 1.19 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, woundeddog said: how old are you?? maybe 30?? lets revist this in 70 years-- I bet you will see things my way--- :-) So, you are betting that I am pre-destined to heaven ? Edited May 23, 2017 by siegi91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woundeddog Posted May 23, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,370 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 1,054 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/18/1868 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, siegi91 said: So, you are betting that I am pre-destined to heaven Bible says " It is Gods Will that all come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved------ so if God wants you to be saved--- why resist him?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, I am betting for the best ~! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick12345 Posted September 1, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 6 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 1, 2017 Yes all babies go to heaven. Through abortion yes but the sin of murder falls on the doctor if he or she is involved and the mom, the father too in involved also if the mother informed him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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