9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

[Guest shiloh357]

25 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

I would disagree, the rapture must fulfill the appointed Feast Days?

Allusion to Isaiah 66:7-8. The use of the neuter adjective arsen (male) modifying the masculine noun huios (son) and the image of Israel giving birth points careful readers back to Isaiah 66:7–8, where we read in the Septuagint (Greek version of the Old Testament): “Before she travailed, she brought forth; Before her pain came, she gave birth to a boy (arsen). Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Can a land be born in one day? Can a nation be brought forth all at once? As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her children.” The image is parallel in Revelation, and John explicitly breaks the rules of Greek grammar (modifying the masculine “son” with the neuter “male”) to point us back to this passage in Isaiah 66. The child in both cases is corporate, not individual.

http://www.unsealed.org/2017/01/the-revelation-12-sign-compendium.html

You see, that's where the conception/birth study is referenced. I'm not referring to Mary, I'm referring to Israel. Israel is our mother in the sense that the church was conceived in her at Pentecost 2000 years ago. Remember, conception always comes before birth, and the birth is the rapture.

(1.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5

(2.) The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5

God Bless.

The vision is only about Israel and the Son she bore, Jesus.   You are reading waaaaay too much into it.

[Guest shiloh357]

35 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said:

Matthew 24

32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

 

It is not speaking about end , because for 2nd comming we know this is exactly 7 years , 1260 days +1290 days ( one year has additional month ) . We don't have to look for seasons in tribulation to know when it will end , we know exactly days since it starts .

Jesus said that if is spring and you see leaves then you know that summer is comming , likewise if you see these things like earthquakes , wars and rumors of wars , floods you know he is at the door .

There are no signs for the rapture.   Nothing is going to happen on the 23rd.   It's all hype and if this were ancient Israel, the teahers promoting this false prophecy would be stoned to death.

[Amazing Horse]

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

There are no signs for the rapture.   Nothing is going to happen on the 23rd.   It's all hype and if this were ancient Israel, the teahers promoting this false prophecy would be stoned to death.

They wanted to stone Jesus also , even not believing Jesus was Messiah when he ride on a donkey into Jerusalem , even tho prophecy about it was to exactly this day.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Amazing Horse said:

They wanted to stone Jesus also , even not believing Jesus was Messiah when he ride on a donkey into Jerusalem , even tho prophecy about it was to exactly this day.

Not the same thing. 

[Heb 13:8]

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The vision is only about Israel and the Son she bore, Jesus.   You are reading waaaaay too much into it.

No shiloh, the vision is referencing the head and body being joined together through rapture. Jesus was already born 2000 years ago, His part is done. Jesus is the head, the church is the body. Now it's time for the body to be born. Please read this below..

The Head / Body
(1.) John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18

(2.) The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven Acts 1:1-11

(3.) The body (the church) however was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4

(4.) Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade)

(5.) The body (the church) has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Luke 22:39-46, (Acts 2:24 ódin/agony of death/childbirth), Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:22-23, 2 Cor 5:1-5, Phil 3:20-21

(6.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.

(7.) The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event Rom 6:1-5, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Pet 1:4, 1 Pet 1:23, Rev 12:5

(8.) John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5

(9.) The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, (the moment he was born) Rev 12:4-5

God Bless.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

No shiloh, the vision is referencing the head and body being joined together through rapture. Jesus was already born 2000 years ago, His part is done. Jesus is the head, the church is the body. Now it's time for the body to be born. Please read this below..

 

No, the prophecy of Revelation 12 is about the woman, Israel and it takes place during the Tribulation and we are not in the Tribulation.   Your analogy is ridiculous.  Heads are not born separately from their bodies.

We are His bride and that is our end time identification.   "Body" was a metaphor that Paul used to explain the role of the gifts of the Spirit.

[Amazing Horse]

1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No shiloh, the vision is referencing the head and body being joined together through rapture. Jesus was already born 2000 years ago, His part is done. Jesus is the head, the church is the body. Now it's time for the body to be born. Please read this below..

The Head / Body
(1.) John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18

(2.) The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven Acts 1:1-11

(3.) The body (the church) however was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4

(4.) Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade)

(5.) The body (the church) has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Luke 22:39-46, (Acts 2:24 ódin/agony of death/childbirth), Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:22-23, 2 Cor 5:1-5, Phil 3:20-21

(6.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.

(7.) The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event Rom 6:1-5, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Pet 1:4, 1 Pet 1:23, Rev 12:5

(8.) John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5

(9.) The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, (the moment he was born) Rev 12:4-5

God Bless.

Do you have animals or pets ? I have cat and chinchilla , wondering if i should buy them 7 year supply or just simply let them die ? This cat really likes me and is sleeping on my hand even right now so i would not want it to suffer being eater by somebody when famine hit , so would it be better for me to let it die faster without food or give him food supply ?

[Heb 13:8]

7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Heads are not born separately from their bodies.

shiloh, that's the reason for rapture, so the body can be connected to the head. Why do you think John used the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5? God Bless brother.

9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

We are His bride and that is our end time identification.   "Body" was a metaphor that Paul used to explain the role of the gifts of the Spirit.

No, the body is not a metaphor, it's a physical feature in His end times plan. It's you and me, anyone who is born again!

(1.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.

(2.) The word "huios" is referenced here.. The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5

- Heb 13:8

[Heb 13:8]

15 minutes ago, Amazing Horse said:

Do you have animals or pets ? I have cat and chinchilla , wondering if i should buy them 7 year supply or just simply let them die ? This cat really likes me and is sleeping on my hand even right now so i would not want it to suffer being eater by somebody when famine hit , so would it be better for me to let it die faster without food or give him food supply ?

I do not. Rapture notes are always good. Pet's, I don't know. I'm sorry. Praying about it might help. 

[Dave Watchman]

On 9/17/2017 at 6:01 PM, Heb 13:8 said:

1The word of the Lord came to me: 
2“Son of man, speak to your people and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 
3and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 
4then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not heed the warning and the sword comes and takes their life, their blood will be on their own head. 
5Since they heard the sound of the trumpet but did not heed the warning, their blood will be on their own head. If they had heeded the warning, they would have saved themselves. 
6But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone’s life, that person’s life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood.’

(1.) The Four Blood Moons Picture - http://yowusa.com/space/2014/space-2014-02a/blood-moon2.jpg
(2.) 8/21/17 & 4/8/24 Total Solar Eclipse Picture - http://eclipse.siu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2017-2024.jpg
(3.) Rev 12:1-2 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg
(4.) Rev 12:1-5 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oRCx47PPo4E/hqdefault.jpg
(5.) Planet X Picture - Red Dragon | God in a Nutshell project

1 week = 7 years 2017-2024 - Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

History
(1.) The four blood moons of 2014-2015 were warning signs pointing to 9/23/17 Joel 2:31
(2.) 9/23/17 is not a warning sign, rather it will be the action 1 Thess 5:3
(3.) 1897, 1917, 1947, 1967, 2017 are all important Israel dates and Jubilee's 1897 + 120 = 2017 Gen 6:3
(4.) Fig Tree Generation - 1947 + 70 years = 2017 Psa 90:10, Matt 24:32-35
(5.) Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17

The Word Rapture
(6.) The Feast of Trumpets represents rapture, the appointed time (Gen 1:14 moed/seasons) (Lev 23:2 moed/festivals) 
(7.) The word harpazo/rapture is a part of the Rev 12:1-5 sign, in Rev 12:5
(8.) The Latin translation for rapture is rapturo, in Greek it's harpazo
(9.) In Dan 12:11, we are the sacrifice taken away that kicks off the 1290 days (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Rom 8:17, Rom 12:1, Rom 15:16, 1 Cor 15:31, 2 Cor 1:5, Gal 2:20, Phil 2:17, Phil 3:10, Col 1:24
(10.) Rapture before tribulation is here Gen 19:21-22, Lev 12:1-8, Psa 18:2, Psa 27:5, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-8, John 14:1-4, Luke 21:34-36, 1 Thess 5:9-10, (Jude 1:14, Rev 19:14 saints coming back to earth), Rev 3:10, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:5, Rev 12:1-5

The Heavens
(11.) Virgo gives birth to Jupiter in September of 2017
(12.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
(13.) The sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations are for signs, times, days, years, seasons Gen 1:14, Job 38:31-32, Psa 19:1-6, Psa 104:19, Psa 136:7, Isa 40:26, Luke 21:25-28
(14.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign is also connected to Planet X in Rev 12:3-4, (Rev chapter 12&13/red dragon and mark of the beast), Enuma Elish by L. W. King or by Doug Elwell

The Head / Body
(15.) John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18
(16.) The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven Acts 1:1-11
(17.) The body (the church) however was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4
(18.) Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade)
(19.) The body (the church) has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Luke 22:39-46, (Acts 2:24 ódin/agony of death/childbirth), Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:22-23, 2 Cor 5:1-5, Phil 3:20-21
(20.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.
(21.) The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event Rom 6:1-5, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Pet 1:4, 1 Pet 1:23, Rev 12:5
(22.) John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5
(23.) The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, (the moment he was born) Rev 12:4-5

2017 - 2024 Time Line
(24.) The first four feasts have already been fulfilled 2,000 years ago
(25.) The last three feasts are still future, and the Feast of Trumpets is next on 9/21/17
(26.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign lands two days after the Feast of Trumpets (Feast starts 1290 days in Dan 12:11)
(27.) The abomination of desolation then lands on Passover Sabbath on 4/2/21 Dan 9:27, Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11, Matt 24:15
(28.) The second coming of Christ then lands on the Day of Atonement on 9/13/24 Isa 24:23, Isa 37:32, Eze 16:63, Joe 2:32, Oba 1:17, Oba 1:21, Mic 4:7, Zech 14:4
(29.) The 1000 year reign with Christ then begins 75 days later on 11/26/24 (24th day/9th month on Hebrew Calendar) Hagg 2:10, 18, 20

Conclusion
(30.) Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel all point to a woman in labor Isa 13:6-8, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-9, Jer 30:6-7, Jer 49:24, (Micah 5:2-4 / Verse 2 Time of Jesus / Verse 3 Church Age / Verse 4 Millennium), 1 Thess 5:1-3
(31.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign also points to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel (Rev 12:1-5 woman in labor giving birth)
(32.) John breaks the rules of Greek grammar, birth before tribulation (rapture before 70th week) Isa 66:7-8, Rev 12:5
(33.) The body of Christ will rule and reign with Christ himself with an iron scepter, as kings and priests Psa 2:9, Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5

Side Note: 1 Jubilee = 50 years
(1.) From Adam to Noah (Flood) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years  (Seed)
(2.) Abraham to Christ (Cross) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Young Plant)
(3.) Christ to now 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Harvest)
(4.) 40 x 3 = 120 Jubilees -- 2000 x 3 = 6000 years -- Gen 6:3

Side Note: Jesus commands the believer to wake up Prov 8:34-36, Matt 24:42-44, Luke 21:34-36, Rom 13:11, 1 Thess 5:1-11, 1 Pet 4:17, Rev 3:1-3
Side Note: The church sitting on thrones, (surrounding God's throne), with authority to judge, as kings and priests Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5
Side Note: The twenty-four elders (the church/martyrs) playing harps in heaven Psa 33:2, Rev 5:8, Rev 14:2-3, Rev 15:2
Side Note: The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
Side Note: 9/28/15 Super Blood Moon to 9/23/17 Rev 12:1-2 sign is 726 days, and Strong's 726 is.. http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm

1  A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.   
2  She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.   
3  Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.   
4  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born.   
5  She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Salvation scriptures can be found in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10. - Heb 13:8

http://www.torahcalendar.com/
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html
http://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/conservative-scholars-agree-male-child.html

I know you worked hard on this. Did you look at any of those videos that talked about the comet c/2017e?

But I don't know what I can tell you, Hebrew. I can't recognize your time line, your new time line or Steve's time line. So I doubt that you'll recognize mine.

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(1.) The four blood moons of 2014-2015 were warning signs pointing to 9/23/17 Joel 2:31

I can agree with this, for the most part. I remember asking you if you could find the connection between the two.

But i think this is meant to be hard, if not even impossible to figure out. He gives wisdom to the wise. What I think about it I shouldn't say. There's too much doctrine to explain. And that's where the Devil is, in the details. If we don't get the AofD right, we miss the man of sin taking his seat. If we have the wrong understanding of Daniel 9, we miss the duration of our appointed time of the end. And without having that, then it's impossible.

That comet c/2017e (BORISOV) seals the deal. It's new so it has to be downloaded into your Stellarium. The thing comes from out of nowhere, out of deep space past. It swings around and runs almost parallel with Jupiter in August and September 2016. Then in October, it begins to get ahead of Jupiter and enters into the Body of Virgo about 21 days before Jupiter does. Then just as Jupiter enters into the Virgins body, c/2017e exits and heads back out into deep space never to return. My date calculator prints out triple sevens on that day, I kid you not. If it ever does come back here, we will have become very comfortable in our new bodies and new homes in the earth made new. Watching c/2017e moving back out into space is remarkable. It remains in the same spot moving away from us while the date indicator is advanced to the year 9999. That was enough for me. I'm as close as I can be to 100% sure and still be able to function in public.

But I doubt anything will happen right on 9/23. Something might happen, but I doubt it. It looks to me like what this alignment is doing is setting the watch. It's pointing to where the last watch is being set. And that's where everything is going to happen, in the third watch. Jesus said: "Behold, I come quickly". I think He's talking about fast, like speed. I think that He's about to roll this whole place up like a scroll in the space of 420/371 days. Just like in the days of Noah. When this thing starts the pre tribers won't be disappointed because the whole thing is going to be so fast that we aren't going to have the time to dwell on it. It's just going to be like action, reaction and "it is done".

The night began after the third moon of the tetrad with the first watch, Lamentations 2:19 was the example, there's a mathematical connection to the "darkened" sun. (Let The Reader Understand). That was the time to watch and pray and lift up our hands to the Lord for the lives of our children. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days. They're starving at every street corner for a famine of the Word, so flee into the wilderness.

At the beginning of the middle watch, like Judges 7, we had just set that watch. The people are divided into three companies. The empty jars have torches put into them. The fire will be concealed until just like the day that Lot left out from Sodom. The jars are then smashed, signifying the sudden destruction that will occur on that day. As these jars are shattered beyond all hope of repair, so will the people be shattered beyond all hope of repair.

When the third and the last watch of the night begins, the people remain in three divisions. For then there will be great tribulation. The camp is slaughtered until the heat of the day, 1Samuel 1:11. Those who survived were scattered, so that no two of them were left together. During this last watch of the night the LORD looked down from the pillar of fire, like Exodus 14:24, the Son of Man is revealed. Wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The great city is split into three parts, split into thirds. They will know that the Lord has spoken in His zeal.

Our appointed time of the end appears to be 1260 days in duration, split into three divisions of 420 days. The Revelation 12 sign appears to be pointing to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, in mid November, it has a conjunction with  Venus. That conjunction measures 420 days to a sun that will be "darkened" and a moon that will not give it's light. The two brightest planets in our visible sky will combine and serve to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. The Son of Man is revealed.

"If he comes in the second watch, or in the third, and finds them awake,blessed are those servants!

“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!

"Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three.

Two divided by three, 

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The great city is split into three parts, split into thirds.

"This is the thing that you shall do: one third of you, who come in on the sabbath and keep watch over the King's house..

Time to be armored up and ready..

Wearing steel that's bright and true.