9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

[Heb 13:8]

"At that time" study

 

Dan 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects the children of your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.

 

Matt 24:10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,

 

Matt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

 

Luke 21:25-28 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

 

Rev 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

 

Extended Study

 

Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it.

 

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

Zeph 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

[Heb 13:8]

Rev 12:1-5 in movie..

https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Richard-Harris/dp/B00W7SIXM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497415295&sr=8-1&keywords=Apocalypse+-+Richard+Harris

This film was released in the year 2000, one year before Stellarium was invented, and yet the film still got it right.

- Heb 13:8

[other one]

Good movie, but I really don't think it covers this scripture very well

Btw this originally was discovered by NASA computers, not the app.

[Heb 13:8]

History
1. The four blood moons of 2014-2015 were warning signs pointing to 9/23/17
2. 9/23/17 is not a warning sign, rather it will be the action 1 Thess 5:3
3. 1897, 1917, 1947, 1967, 2017 are all important Israel dates and Jubilee's Gen 6:3
4. Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17
5. The "day and hour nobody knows" is an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets
6. Jesus comes like a thief to nonbelievers, not believers Matt 24:38-39, 1 Thess 5:1-11, Rev 3:3

The Word Rapture
7. The Feast of Trumpets represents rapture, the appointed time (moed) Lev 23
8. The word harpazo/rapture is a part of the Rev 12:1-5 sign, in Rev 12:5
9. The Latin translation for rapture is rapturo, in Greek it's harpazo
10. In Dan 12:11, we are the sacrifice taken away that kicks off the 1290 days Rom 12:1

The Heavens
11. Virgo gives birth to Jupiter in September of 2017
12. Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5
13. The sun, moon, stars, planets are for signs, times, days, years, Gen 1:14
14. The Rev 12:1-5 sign is also connected to Planet X in Rev 12:3-4

The Head / Body
15. John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18
16. The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven
17. The body was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4
18. Life begins at conception, not birth Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4
19. The body has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now Acts 2:24 (agony of death/childbirth), Rom 8:22-23
20. Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30
21. The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5
22. John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5
23. The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, Rev 12:4-5

2017 - 2024 Time Line
24. The first four feasts have already been fulfilled 2,000 years ago
25. The last three feasts are still future, and the Feast of Trumpets is next on 9/21/17
26. The Rev 12:1-5 sign lands two days after the Feast of Trumpets (Feast starts 1290 days in Dan 12:11)
27. The abomination of desolation then lands on Passover Sabbath on 4/2/21
28. The second coming of Christ then lands on the Day of Atonement on 9/13/24

Conclusion
29. Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel all point to a woman in labor
30. The Rev 12:1-5 sign also points to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel
31. The body of Christ will rule with Christ himself with an iron scepter Psa 2:9, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 12:5

This will be my last post. God is directing me elsewhere. Shalom. - Heb 13:8

[bornagain2011]

I was really excited about this September because of the sign in the stars, until I came across this article in answers to genesis. The 2 things they said that make me doubt now is first they said its actually more than 12 stars above virgo's head, and also secondly, for it to be a sign for all to see it should be visible, which apparently it won't be. It's only visible on stellarium. It won't actually be visible in real life. The sun will be too far up in the sky to see the stars.

Im pretty bummed because we've had a countdown app on our phone and tablet since 2011! 

 

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/what-will-happen-september-23-2017/

[other one]

3 hours ago, bornagain2011 said:

I was really excited about this September because of the sign in the stars, until I came across this article in answers to genesis. The 2 things they said that make me doubt now is first they said its actually more than 12 stars above virgo's head, and also secondly, for it to be a sign for all to see it should be visible, which apparently it won't be. It's only visible on stellarium. It won't actually be visible in real life. The sun will be too far up in the sky to see the stars.

Im pretty bummed because we've had a countdown app on our phone and tablet since 2011! 

 

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/what-will-happen-september-23-2017/

but it will still be there.     As for the 12 stars, there are the nine in Leo that stay there and only three planets within leo.

94 days 11 hours and 20 or so minutes...

[Heb 13:8]

UPDATED

1The word of the Lord came to me: 
2“Son of man, speak to your people and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, 
3and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 
4then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not heed the warning and the sword comes and takes their life, their blood will be on their own head. 
5Since they heard the sound of the trumpet but did not heed the warning, their blood will be on their own head. If they had heeded the warning, they would have saved themselves. 
6But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone’s life, that person’s life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood.’

(1.) The Four Blood Moons Picture - http://yowusa.com/space/2014/space-2014-02a/blood-moon2.jpg
(2.) 8/21/17 & 4/8/24 Total Solar Eclipse Picture - http://eclipse.siu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2017-2024.jpg
(3.) Rev 12:1-2 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg
(4.) Rev 12:1-5 Picture - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oRCx47PPo4E/hqdefault.jpg
(5.) Planet X Picture - Red Dragon | God in a Nutshell project

1 week = 7 years 2017-2024 - Dan 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

History
(1.) The four blood moons of 2014-2015 were warning signs pointing to 9/23/17 Joel 2:31
(2.) 9/23/17 is not a warning sign, rather it will be the action 1 Thess 5:3
(3.) 1897, 1917, 1947, 1967, 2017 are all important Israel dates and Jubilee's 1897 + 120 = 2017 Gen 6:3
(4.) Fig Tree Generation - 1947 + 70 years = 2017 Psa 90:10, Matt 24:32-35
(5.) Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17

The Word Rapture
(6.) The Feast of Trumpets represents rapture, the appointed time (Gen 1:14 moed/seasons) (Lev 23:2 moed/festivals) 
(7.) The word harpazo/rapture is a part of the Rev 12:1-5 sign, in Rev 12:5
(8.) The Latin translation for rapture is rapturo, in Greek it's harpazo
(9.) In Dan 12:11, we are the sacrifice taken away that kicks off the 1290 days (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Rom 8:17, Rom 12:1, Rom 15:16, 1 Cor 15:31, 2 Cor 1:5, Gal 2:20, Phil 2:17, Phil 3:10, Col 1:24
(10.) Rapture before tribulation is here Gen 19:21-22, Lev 12:1-8, Psa 18:2, Psa 27:5, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-8, John 14:1-4, Luke 21:34-36, 1 Thess 5:9-10, (Jude 1:14, Rev 19:14 saints coming back to earth), Rev 3:10, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:5, Rev 12:1-5

The Heavens
(11.) Virgo gives birth to Jupiter in September of 2017
(12.) Virgo is Israel (our mother) Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman), Gal 4:26, and Jupiter is the body of Christ (the child) Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14-17, Gal 3:26, Col 1:18, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
(13.) The sun, moon, stars, planets, constellations are for signs, times, days, years, seasons Gen 1:14, Job 38:31-32, Psa 19:1-6, Psa 104:19, Psa 136:7, Isa 40:26, Luke 21:25-28
(14.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign is also connected to Planet X in Rev 12:3-4, (Rev chapter 12&13/red dragon and mark of the beast), Enuma Elish by L. W. King or by Doug Elwell

The Head / Body
(15.) John uses the words "huios" and "teknon" in Rev 12:5, head and body Col 1:18
(16.) The head (Jesus Christ) was birthed 2,000 years ago when He ascended to heaven Acts 1:1-11
(17.) The body (the church) however was conceived 2,000 years ago at Pentecost, not birthed Acts 2:1-4
(18.) Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade)
(19.) The body (the church) has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now (Isa 53:11 amal/trouble, Rev 7:14 thlipsis/trouble), Luke 22:39-46, (Acts 2:24 ódin/agony of death/childbirth), Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:22-23, 2 Cor 5:1-5, Phil 3:20-21
(20.) Each time a person gets saved, they get put into the body of Christ John 3:16, John 5:24, John 6:35-40, John 10:25-30, Rom 4:7, Rom 6:1-5, Rom 8:38-39, 1 Cor 15:12-19, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, Heb 6:18-19, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:11-14, 1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 5:9-14, 2 John 1:2.
(21.) The birth of the body into incorruptible seed is next, through rapture event Rom 6:1-5, 1 Cor 9:25, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Pet 1:4, 1 Pet 1:23, Rev 12:5
(22.) John uses "teknon" (the church) once in Rev 12:4 and once in Rev 12:5
(23.) The body of Christ is raptured before the dragon devours us, (the moment he was born) Rev 12:4-5

2017 - 2024 Time Line
(24.) The first four feasts have already been fulfilled 2,000 years ago
(25.) The last three feasts are still future, and the Feast of Trumpets is next on 9/21/17
(26.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign lands two days after the Feast of Trumpets (Feast starts 1290 days in Dan 12:11)
(27.) The abomination of desolation then lands on Passover Sabbath on 4/2/21 Dan 9:27, Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11, Matt 24:15
(28.) The second coming of Christ then lands on the Day of Atonement on 9/13/24 Isa 24:23, Isa 37:32, Eze 16:63, Joe 2:32, Oba 1:17, Oba 1:21, Mic 4:7, Zech 14:4
(29.) The 1000 year reign with Christ then begins 75 days later on 11/26/24 (24th day/9th month on Hebrew Calendar) Hagg 2:10, 18, 20

Conclusion
(30.) Rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel all point to a woman in labor Isa 13:6-8, Isa 26:17-21, Isa 66:7-9, Jer 30:6-7, Jer 49:24, (Micah 5:2-4 / Verse 2 Time of Jesus / Verse 3 Church Age / Verse 4 Millennium), 1 Thess 5:1-3
(31.) The Rev 12:1-5 sign also points to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel (Rev 12:1-5 woman in labor giving birth)
(32.) John breaks the rules of Greek grammar, birth before tribulation (rapture before 70th week) Isa 66:7-8, Rev 12:5
(33.) The body of Christ will rule and reign with Christ himself with an iron scepter, as kings and priests Psa 2:9, Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5

Side Note: 1 Jubilee = 50 years
(1.) From Adam to Noah (Flood) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years  (Seed)
(2.) Abraham to Christ (Cross) 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Young Plant)
(3.) Christ to now 40 x 50 or 40 Jubilee cycles = 2000 years (Harvest)
(4.) 40 x 3 = 120 Jubilees -- 2000 x 3 = 6000 years -- Gen 6:3

Side Note: Jesus commands the believer to wake up Prov 8:34-36, Matt 24:42-44, Luke 21:34-36, Rom 13:11, 1 Thess 5:1-11, 1 Pet 4:17, Rev 3:1-3
Side Note: The church sitting on thrones, (surrounding God's throne), with authority to judge, as kings and priests Dan 7:18, 22, Matt 19:28, Rom 8:17, 1 Cor 6:2-3, Rev 1:5-6, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 3:21, Rev 4:4, Rev 5:10-11, Rev 7:9, Rev 12:5, Rev 20:4-6, Rev 22:5
Side Note: The twenty-four elders (the church/martyrs) playing harps in heaven Psa 33:2, Rev 5:8, Rev 14:2-3, Rev 15:2
Side Note: The church has many names and is also considered male Isa 66:7-9, Matt 13:38, Luke 20:36, John 12:36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26, 1 Thess 5:5, Rev 12:5
Side Note: 9/28/15 Super Blood Moon to 9/23/17 Rev 12:1-2 sign is 726 days, and Strong's 726 is.. http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm

1  A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.   
2  She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.   
3  Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.   
4  Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born.   
5  She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Salvation scriptures can be found in John 3:3-7, John 3:16, John 14:6, Acts 4:12, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9-10. - Heb 13:8

http://www.torahcalendar.com/
https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html
http://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/conservative-scholars-agree-male-child.html
 

[bornagain2011]

Yes! I strongly believe the rapture is on a feast of trumpets because of what that feast is a picture of. And I believe this year's feast is a strong possibility, not just because of the revelation 12 sign, but other reasons as well.

We will find out in 7 days! If we aren't raptured, I will still keep looking up! Can't wait to go home!

[Amazing Horse]

Remember guys that most of christians are not even saved to behin with , gospel of salvation is not that rapture is comming but that Chris died for us and rose from the dead after 3 days and nights according to scriptures , proving that he was Messiah and that he paid price for us with his own blood to redeem us .

Many people watch these videos , i believe one even has over 6M views , but video called "how to get saved " by that same pastor had maybe 10 000 or so , insane low amount to compare these two.

 

Jesus himself said that 5 virgins had no oil in their lamps and 5 had , if this is true then 50% of christians believe in something else that free gift of God as salvations 2 Ephesians 8:-9.

 

So when you tell your friends and family , first check out if they have oil in thier lamps and then tell them that rapture is comming .

 

Also Rapture can't be known by day or hour as seen in Matthew 24:36 , so it can't be on 23 september , it can be between days and between hours only , because other way 7B people would choose each of them day and hour and we would have booked 799 000 years in advance , the only way to not know day or hour so God can't lie is to have it between days , thats why Rosh Hashanah is two day feast , and that's why Luke 12:38 says  that blessed is second and third watch , because for Jews second watch would end at 00:00 and third watch would start at 00:00 with blown trumpet between them , Jewish day and night does not start and end like our , i suggest to google "Jewish day and night cycle " in graphics and first image that pops up .

 

By the way i went to that video and there are 22 000 dislikes , meaning if rapture happens there are 22 000 who gave up thier crowns if they were saved Christians , probably the biggest giveaway on youtube that ever happend .

 

Revelation 3:11

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

 

2 Timothy 4:8

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Amazing Horse

[Heb 13:8]

6 hours ago, Amazing Horse said:

Also Rapture can't be known by day or hour as seen in Matthew 24:36

The "day and hour" Study

Hi AH. There were no subtitles in the original Greek text, "The Day and Hour Unknown". I agree with others that "the day and hour" is referencing the nouns in the preceding verse in Matt 24:35. If we think about this closely, scripture doesn't tell us when the New Earth will be created. Scripture doesn't say how long the Great White Throne Judgment will be. I also noticed the word "that" is referring to a noun immediately preceding. Heaven and earth in Matt 24:35 are nouns.

Matt 24:35-36 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36“But about that (ekeinos:) day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Rev 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

ekeinos: that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the art. preceding
Original Word: ἐκεῖνος, η, ο
Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
Transliteration: ekeinos
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-i'-nos)
Short Definition: that, that one there, yonder
Definition: that, that one there, yonder.

https://www.google.com/search?q=yonder+definition&oq=yonder+definition&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i67k1j0i7i30k1l2j0i7i10i30k1.307286.308590.0.309253.6.6.0.0.0.0.119.545.0j5.5.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.5.541.YT5rRzIJGyY

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from ekei
Definition
that one (or neut. that thing), often intensified by the art. preceding
NASB Translation

c. referring to a noun immediately preceding, he, she, it, (Latinis,ea,id, German selbiger): John 7:45; John 5:46; Mark 16:11; Acts 3:13, etc.; cf. Winers Grammar, § 23, 1; (Buttmann, 104 (91).

2. joined with nouns, and then the noun with the article either precedes, or (somewhat more rarely) follows it (Winers Grammar, 162 (153)) (Buttmann, 119f (104f));

God Bless. - Heb 13:8