newnature Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 148 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 160 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/21/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 Then go to the churches and find out for yourself what you have to do to get God to say YES or NO. But be aware, there’s insecurity in those messages. These are the doctrines we’re tossed to and fro by as we hear those things and fail to understand the good news of reconciliation. Wow! What good news the world could hear. Someone has paid their sin debt already. The decision was made before you were ever born. What wonderful news! Now, not everyone is going to be in Heaven because God reconciled the world unto himself, we know that. The Bible clearly teaches that you have to accept that gift. Love doesn’t force itself. God is equally as much love as he is just. So, he doesn’t force that on anyone. He offers it freely to the world, but he did indeed accomplished it for the world through his son. The issue is no longer sin, the issue is: what well you do with what the son accomplished where your sin debt is concerned. Most are going back to the 12, trying to rely upon what the 12 would tell them. How many know of Paul’s distinct message today? Are we moving toward truth or moving away form truth? The Savior did not send Paul to build upon or to add further truth to the message of those who preceded Paul. (Romans 15:20) The foundation they laid was of Jesus as Messiah to the nation Israel. The Messiah is promised to Israel for the ruling over of that Kingdom, that earthly Kingdom promised that nation. Paul would not to have wanted us to mix the message of the 12 in regard to God’s program to and with the nation Israel...with the message specifically given him for the Gentiles. Paul was given that brand new revelation. He would not have wanted us to add or mix earthly Kingdom truth with the message he dispensed. He went to great lengths to separate his ministry with the ministries of those before him. 1 Corinthians 3:10 - But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,803 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,779 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, newnature said: [1] The Savior did not send Paul to build upon or to add further truth to the message of those who preceded Paul. (Romans 15:20) [2] He went to great lengths to separate his ministry with the ministries of those before him. 1 Corinthians 3:10 - But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. ?? There is only one ministry ..... only one foundation - Jesus Christ. [1] Romans 15:17-21 is Paul speaking about his ministry to the Gentiles - people who have NEVER heard any message - and how he thanks God for it. Your verse you've cited says this, "But I have always tried to preach where people have never heard about Christ. I am like a builder who doesn’t build on anyone else’s foundation." He isn't comparing his message to the message of "the 12" as you call them. [2] And in 1 Corinthians 3:10, Paul is NOT going to "great lengths to separate his ministry with the ministries of those who came before him. He does not speak here at ALL of anyone else's ministry. He says, "According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." He is saying that there is only ONE foundation - that that is Jesus Christ. He tells the church at Corinth that he has laid this foundation - he started that church - that that others will come after him to build upon that - and for them to be very careful whom they allow to lead and build that church in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 Y'SHUA and all the Apostles and [likely] all the disciples immersed in Y'SHUA all went every week to synagogue for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 Gal 3:26 WEB For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise. Col 3:9 Don’t lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his doings, Col 3:10 and have put on the new man, who is being renewed in knowledge after the image of his Creator, Col 3:11 where there can’t be Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondservant, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all. Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, a heart of compassion, kindness, lowliness, humility, and perseverance; Col 3:13 bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, if any man has a complaint against any; even as Christ forgave you, so you also do. Col 3:14 Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. According to this, we are all Abraham's offspring and heirs according to promise. In God's kingdom we are all one and in need of the same gospel. Since I am in Christ and He in me, I am a coheir with Christ. It is true that the greatest portion of the Gospels was written before Christ's resurrection and ascension, and most is written to the Jews. In fact, the Gospel was always to be preached first to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles after the Jews refuse to believe and be saved. But God has a remnant who will believe and receive Yeshua as there Messiah. The Gospel is for all who will receive regardless of race, creed, national origin, sexual orientation, or color. We are all sinners in need of a Savior, or else we are the redeemed who still depend on our Savior. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Willa said: Gal 3:26 ... Gal 3:28 ... Col 3:9 ... Col 3:12 ... Col 3:13 ... Col 3:14 ... (1) According to this, we are all Abraham's offspring and heirs according to promise. ... (2) But God has a remnant who will believe and receive Yeshua as there Messiah. Statements (1) and (2) are contradictory, (UNLESS "we" is restricted to the remnant), and , likewise, all the SCRIPTURE POSTED IS TRUTH, but shows clearly that (1) is not true (UNLESS "we" is restricted to the remnant), while (2) has always been true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted March 22, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Statements (1) and (2) are contradictory, (UNLESS "we" is restricted to the remnant), and , likewise, all the SCRIPTURE POSTED IS TRUTH, but shows clearly that (1) is not true (UNLESS "we" is restricted to the remnant), while (2) has always been true. "We" is restricted to true believers, which is what both verses refer to. All true believers are the same, one in Christ, and God does not look upon differences. We who are in Christ will inherit with Him according to Ephesians. Eph 3:4 When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, Eph 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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