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sharp rise in the number of civilians reported killed in U.S.-led airstrikes in Iraq and Syria is spreading panic, deepening mistrust and triggering accusations that the United States and its partners may be acting without sufficient regard for lives of noncombatants.

The escalation comes as local ground forces backed by air support from a U.S.-led coalition close in on the Islamic State's two main urban bastions - Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-islamic-state-airstrikes-iraq-syria-20170328-story.html

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51 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

sharp rise in the number of civilians reported killed in U.S.-led airstrikes in Iraq and Syria is spreading panic, deepening mistrust and triggering accusations that the United States and its partners may be acting without sufficient regard for lives of noncombatants.

The escalation comes as local ground forces backed by air support from a U.S.-led coalition close in on the Islamic State's two main urban bastions - Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-islamic-state-airstrikes-iraq-syria-20170328-story.html

Ya I heard a little on the radio the last two days but no updates on whose bombs they where. We've stepped up participation so more than likely it was the US.

Bottom line is war sucks and to end it with a win, if a win is what it can be called, is going to be bloody and horrific. Otherwise we just keep playing games and the conflict goes on and on. We should never had gone in but we are there and with ISIS there is no way to avoid innocent blood. Shame, I wish we all could lay down the weapons and walk away but humanity and reality seems to recognize the strong arm as the way to peace so blood on top of blood. What a mess we all are.

Also the state department and pentagon of Obama played games with ISIS when they could have crushed them early on. They choose to let them grow to bring Asad to the table. Our state department has lived its coarse and a change needs to come. The world was hoping that would be Obama, but business continued as it always has and Hilary seemed to step it up a notch. 

The first six months of Obamas presidency was ripe with other nations proclaiming "no change is gonna come". I'm not sure what change was expected in the states but over seas they sure had a definition of what that was. Chill out your state department and CIA.

 

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45 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

sharp rise in the number of civilians reported killed in U.S.-led airstrikes in Iraq and Syria is spreading panic, deepening mistrust and triggering accusations that the United States and its partners may be acting without sufficient regard for lives of noncombatants.

The escalation comes as local ground forces backed by air support from a U.S.-led coalition close in on the Islamic State's two main urban bastions - Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-islamic-state-airstrikes-iraq-syria-20170328-story.html

Civilians, thousands of them, have died in almost every war ever fought.   There is no way to fight a sanitary war, especially when evil enemies put civilians in harms way on purpose just to ramp up the civilian casualty rate in order to win propaganda points.   In hte middle east, we deal with an enemy that has no courage and no honor, and they put women in children in front of them as cannon fodder.

But we do not target civilians on purpose and unlike the evil enemies we are fighting, we don't do random, indiscriminate bombings.   We target the enemy and if the enemy puts women and children around them to be killed, they are the ones to blame for those civilian fatalities, not us.

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3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Civilians, thousands of them, have died in almost every war ever fought.   There is no way to fight a sanitary war, especially when evil enemies put civilians in harms way on purpose just to ramp up the civilian casualty rate in order to win propaganda points.   In hte middle east, we deal with an enemy that has no courage and no honor, and they put women in children in front of them as cannon fodder.

But we do not target civilians on purpose and unlike the evil enemies we are fighting, we don't do random, indiscriminate bombings.   We target the enemy and if the enemy puts women and children around them to be killed, they are the ones to blame for those civilian fatalities, not us.

I'm pretty sure the apologist from the other side say the same thing you just did.

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2 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

I'm pretty sure the apologist from the other side say the same thing you just did.

If they do, they are lying.   We don't put civilians in harm's way, ever and never have.   We never follow their evil tactics.

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3 hours ago, ruck1b said:

sharp rise in the number of civilians reported killed in U.S.-led airstrikes in Iraq and Syria is spreading panic, deepening mistrust and triggering accusations that the United States and its partners may be acting without sufficient regard for lives of noncombatants.

The escalation comes as local ground forces backed by air support from a U.S.-led coalition close in on the Islamic State's two main urban bastions - Raqqa in Syria and Mosul in Iraq.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-islamic-state-airstrikes-iraq-syria-20170328-story.html

When did we start thinking wars can be fought without civilian casualties?  It's going to happen.  Personally, I wouldn't have ANY American troops fighting anywhere unless it was to defend THIS country but, as long as we do, I believe our military makes every effort to not kill civllans.  Kinda hard when the muslims use them as human shields though.

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To live in naivety seems to be the ideal of American culture.  One day we will realize we have been just as much of the problem that we accuse others of being.

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13 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

To live in naivety seems to be the ideal of American culture.  One day we will realize we have been just as much of the problem that we accuse others of being.

No, we are fighting the problem.   Our enemy puts it's own innocents in harm's way.   We are in no way responsible for loss of those civilians.   We do not target civilians. 

There is a moral distinction between targeting civilians and civilians who die as collateral damage in war.  

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1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

No, we are fighting the problem.   Our enemy puts it's own innocents in harm's way.   We are in no way responsible for loss of those civilians.   We do not target civilians. 

There is a moral distinction between targeting civilians and civilians who die as collateral damage in war.  

 

20 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

To live in naivety seems to be the ideal of American culture.  One day we will realize we have been just as much of the problem that we accuse others of being.

 

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4 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

 

To live in naivety seems to be the ideal of American culture.  One day we will realize we have been just as much of the problem that we accuse others of being.

 

I am not part of the problem.  I have done nothing to hurt anyone.   If you have a problem, take it up with the government, and stop trying to lay the blame at our feet.

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