Thoughts on the Book of Revelation

[Marilyn C]

13 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

. It will seem God

is inactive during the reign of the antichrist.

Questions are welcome.

Hi Kenny,

`I watched till thrones were put in place, and the Ancient of days was seated; His garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning flame' a fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him, a thousand thousands ministered to Him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.

The court was seated, and the books were opened......` (Dan. 7: 9 & 10)

`...the court shall be seated and they shall take away his dominion to consume it and destroy it forever.` (Dan. 7: 26)

` Do you not know that the saints will judge the world (system)?....` (1 Cor. 6: 2)

God is never `inactive,` He continually upholds this world & all in it & when the anti-Christ is revealing his `beastly` character, the heavenly court is sitting declaring the righteous judgment upon him & the whole beastly world system.

Marilyn.

[Revelation Man]

On 4/3/2017 at 7:31 AM, kenny2212 said:

The first 5 seals happen before the rapture. The 6th seal is the rapture.

I'LL BITE....................Revelation as I see it, which basically equals The End Times........

As per my understanding of Revelation/End Times and such my Eschatology beliefs are that the Rapture happens then the 70th Week of Daniel starts, its better known by Jacobs Troubles or the Tribulation. The first 3 1/2 years are a Peace/Security agreement (covenant) that is forced upon Israel by the Anti-Christ (Leader of the European Union). We know he is born in Greece and comes to power in the E.U. by reading Daniel chapters 7 & 8. He arises out of the Fourth Beast (Little Horn) and one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that stood up for Alexander the Great. Only Greece (Macedonia) fits. It is in the E.U........Nothing else fits.

The Two-witnesses show up a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation happens and preach Jesus Christ crucified, one is Elijah, as Malachi 4:5-6 says, God will send Elijah to turn the people back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. So ALL ISRAEL is saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation turns from Judaism and sacrificing animals unto God, to their Messiah Jesus Christ. We know that the timelines of the BEAST (he turns into the Beast when he Conquers Israel/42 Months) 42 Months (1260 Days) and the Two-Witnesses don't match-up because the Two-Witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, before the Beast is destroyed at the Seventh Vial. So if the Seven Vials takes a Month or Two, that is the difference in time-lines, I think this is why God gave them both time-lines of 1260 Days, thus we can figure things out. The Two-Witnesses show up before the Anti-Christ officially become the LAST BEAST.

The Anti-Christ decides to renege on all of his Peace/Security deals, he no doubt has been allowed to be the sole protector of Israel and imho, many Arab nations, this was the compromise deal. He turns those Armies and weapons on Israel and the Arab/Muslim nations. Many people in Israel heeds Jesus' prophetic words and Flee to the Wilderness, probably Petra, where God protects them. The Anti-Christ (Rev. 12) or BEAST by this time chases her but can not get at her because God protects and feeds her. Then he goes after the REMNANT (of the Church) meaning Small part that's left or those that became Christians after the Rapture.

Rev. chapter 6 is where all of this happens/starts. The Beast that has risen out of the Sea (Rev. 13) is a Gentile Ruler, he conquers Israel/the Saints, and he will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! He has to kill off all who will not bow down and worship him, that includes Islam or any other religion. This is the Harlot being KILLED OFF (False Religion Rev. 17:16) but it actually  has to have happened in Revelation Chapter 6. The Anti-Christ/Beast conquers, kills, destroys, subdues etc. etc. etc. Millions maybe Billions die (1/4 on man-kind). All Four Horses are associated with him and his doings. The 5th Seal is the proof/testimony of his evil doings, they are the Martyrs under the Alter who Jesus tells to wait until their brothers are killed also. They must wait until the Beasts 42 months reign is up before they are raised from the dead, then they will rule with Jesus for 1000 years (Rev.20:4). 

Rev. chapter 7 shows the 144,000 Jewish preachers who testify to the world to repent. It also shows the Raptured Church in Heaven who came out of the tribulation, meaning the greatest period of tribulation, the 2000 year period, not the 7 year period where the troubles were GREATER.

Rev. 8 is the Seven Trumpets, I think this is the Holy Spirits Wrath whereas the Seals were the Lambs Wrath.  There is a reason for this, if you notice, the angel mixes the incense (Prayers of the Saints) with the Fire of the Alter of God and casts it back to Earth where the Judgments begin with the sounding of the Trumpets. Fire burning the trees and grasses, an Asteroid hits the Sea, an Angel poisons the waters and the Sun, Moon and Stars lights diminish (the Smoke would of course do that.) Then the Woes come in Rev. chapter 9.

Rev. 9 is the First of three Woes, the LAST WOE is all Seven Vials just like the Last Seal is all Seven Trumpets, but that's later.  The First Woe is the 8th King being released from the bottomless pit along with his hordes of Demons called Locusts. They are given power to torture and maim man-kind but not to kill them. This info leads me to believe the 2nd Woe, the 200 Million Horsemen Army is not of SATAN but is of GOD. There are a couple of reasons for this. 

1. Why would we have back to back Woes where one set of Demons can not Kill then another set can Kill? The 200 Million are not MEN, we know this, everyone confuses them with Vial #6  and says they come forth with the Kings of the East, but that's just not true, this is the 6th Trumpet or the 2nd Woe and has nothing to do with Vial #6. It is misconception that has spread, an untruth. 

2. The Breastplates of the Demons in the First Woe are as IRON (Matches Rome/Beast) the Breastplates in the 2nd Woe MATCH EXACTLY with the colors of the High-priests of Israels Breastplates as described in the Old Testament, go check them both out, its amazing. There are no Angels bound in the River Euphrates, I think this is why many think they are Demons. These Angels are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME (The Greek says this when studied) at that place. These 200 Million Horsemen bring forth PLAGUES OF GOD....The scripture says this, but we overlook it (SEE BELOW). This is God, bringing Wrath upon man-kind. 

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

These are an ARMY OF GOD !! 

Rev. 10 is John eating the book, he was told not to reveal all the secrets of God. Revelation chapter 11 is where the Two-Witnesses die after the Second Woe. It is announced that the 2nd Woe is past and the 3rd Woe comes quickly, which is why I say the Difference in time-lines between the BEAST and Two-Witnesses can only be a short time, a month or two at most, maybe less. There is a Great Earthquake right before the Final Trumpet announces the Third Woe, just as there is a Great Earthquake at the 6th Seal and there is also a Great Earthquake at the Seventh Vial. Too many people, for some odd reason, think these are all the same event, they are not, its just God giving warning to man-kind before greater Wrath is headed their way.  An EARTHQUAKE happens then the 7th Seal ushers in the Seven Trumpets, EARTHQUAKE then the 7th Trumpet ushers in the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath......An EARTHQUAKE happens when Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives, then he destroys the BEAST his Armies and all the wicked of he Earth. So these Earthquakes are all different events. None of them are even described as being alike.

Rev. 12 of course is a Prophecy about Israel Fleeing unto the Wilderness. Rev. 12:1-5 even 6 is used to ENCODE the Prophecy because John nor the Church could be found by Rome/Romans with letters saying God was protecting Israel, that would have been treason/sedition since they had just destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple a few years before that. More than likely that would have been treason which the Romans saw as worthy of death. Rev. 12:1-5 just set up a situation where everyone knew who the Woman (Israel Genesis 37:9) Jesus (male-child) and the Dragon (Satan) were. That way the Prophecy could be told without mentioning ISRAEL. Satan is cast out of Heaven (Daniel 12:1-2) by Micheal, he tries to kill off Israel but she flees to Edom/Wilderness where God protects her for 1260 Days, the very same amount of time the BEAST Rules.

Rev. 13 is the Beast arising out of the Sea as the Last Head of the Seven Headed Beast or the Anti-Christ who turns into a BEAST when he Conquers Israel. He also has 10 horns just like in Daniel 7. Notice the 11th Horn of Daniel (Little Horn) is nowhere to be found, that's because he is the Seventh Head of the BEAST. He is the LAST BEAST. He is a MAN not a Country/Kingdom like the others. Just like Daniel 7:11 says, the BEAST was cast into the Burning Flame and Judgment was given. Rev. 19:20 AGREES the Beast and False Prophet are cast into Hell. Also Rev. 20:4 shows Judgment seats just like Daniel 7:10   Notice this Seven Headed Beast has the Lion, Bear and Leopard incorporated into it, giving us a clue that these are the same Beasts mentioned on Daniel chapter Seven. This is important when we get to Rev. ch. 17. (See my Babylon/Harlot Thread)

He demands all people to Worship him or die. He blasphemes God just like in Dan. 7 and 8, he is given 42 Months to rule over the Saints which makes him a BEAST.  Then the Second Beast arises out of the Land, meaning he is JEWISH, he has two horns like a Lamb meaning he feigns being the Messiah, with Miracles and such, he demands that all people worship the Beast as God. In Matthew 24 we see they try to trick Israel out of their safe place/zone(Wilderness) but Jesus warns them not to go unto the DESERT or unto the SECRET CHAMBERS, for when I (Jesus) return it will be in the Eastern Skies. I think he is a Jewish Rabbi who feigns to be the Messiah and says that the BEAST is God come in the flesh.

Revelation is not in chronological order. But the Seal/Trumpets and Vials are in perfect chronological order. Rev. 14 is the 144,000 and covers much of the Seven Year Tribulation. Rev. 15 is just illustrating the Seven Last Plagues are coming shortly. Rev. 16 is the final Chapter in all reality.

Rev. 16 Is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath or the THIRD WOE. No use taking much time on the Vials, we know what manner of Plagues they bring upon man-kind. The Sixth Vial however is important. The False Prophet, BEAST and Satan/Dragon send out lying Spirits (Demons) to gather the Nations against Israel (probably to try and defeat God and get at Israel in her protected Zone) at Armageddon. IMHO, the Kings of the East are the Arab Nations like Iran (Persia) Iraq, Syria etc. all that hate Israel, even though they were subjugated by this Anti-Christ/BEAST, they still HATE ISRAEL, and go forth with the European Union to Armageddon.  When that happens, the SEVENTH VIAL is poured out and Jesus Christ lands on the Mt. of Olives, he splits it into, then an Angel announces IT IS DONE !! And Jesus goes forth to destroy the BEAST his Kings and their Armies. God sees them as Babylon. Rev. 16:19 And the great city (Jerusalem/Earthquake) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell (BABYLON FALLS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

THIS IS IT...........There is no Revelation 17 and 18 in essence, they are just ENHANCED versions of things that have already passed/been told.

 

You can read my THREAD in Eschatology, on the first page (maybe the second) about:  

Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained..........It will reveal why the BEAST is a Beast and why the LAST BEAST is just a Man. It covers Revelation chapters 17 and 18 in full. 

As per Revelation chapter 19 it is a FULL SEVEN YEAR PERIOD of the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb, we return on White Horses with Jesus who then lands on the Mt. of Olives and Destroys the Beast/Kings and his Evil minions at Armageddon.  Rev. 20 is Satan being cast into the bottomless pit for a 1000 years and the BEHEADED (Under the Alter) being Judged and found righteous, then ruling with Jesus Christ on Earth for a 1000 years. Israel is Gathered unto the Barn when Jesus Returns, thus THEY ALONE are the Wheat that Grew with the Tares until the end, and were Harvested at the same time as the Tares were Harvested (Killed/Bundled into the grave to wait for their Justice in 1000 years). 

 

Edited May 11, 2017 by Revelation Man

[missmuffet]

On 4/3/2017 at 5:39 AM, Rick_Parker said:

The Rapture occurs before anything else you describe, so your premise is flawed on its face.

Yep, that is what the Bible tells me.

[Absolem]

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I'LL BITE....................Revelation as I see it, which basically equals The End Times........

As per my understanding of Revelation/End Times and such my Eschatology beliefs are that the Rapture happens then the 70th Week of Daniel starts, its better known by Jacobs Troubles or the Tribulation. The first 3 1/2 years are a Peace/Security agreement (covenant) that is forced upon Israel by the Anti-Christ (Leader of the European Union). We know he is born in Greece and comes to power in the E.U. by reading Daniel chapters 7 & 8. He arises out of the Fourth Beast (Little Horn) and one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that stood up for Alexander the Great. Only Greece (Macedonia) fits. It is in the E.U........Nothing else fits.

The Two-witnesses show up a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation happens and preach Jesus Christ crucified, one is Elijah, as Malachi 4:5-6 says, God will send Elijah to turn the people back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. So ALL ISRAEL is saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation turns from Judaism and sacrificing animals unto God, to their Messiah Jesus Christ. We know that the timelines of the BEAST (he turns into the Beast when he Conquers Israel/42 Months) 42 Months (1260 Days) and the Two-Witnesses don't match-up because the Two-Witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, before the Beast is destroyed at the Seventh Vial. So if the Seven Vials takes a Month or Two, that is the difference in time-lines, I think this is why God gave them both time-lines of 1260 Days, thus we can figure things out. The Two-Witnesses show up before the Anti-Christ officially become the LAST BEAST.

The Anti-Christ decides to renege on all of his Peace/Security deals, he no doubt has been allowed to be the sole protector of Israel and imho, many Arab nations, this was the compromise deal. He turns those Armies and weapons on Israel and the Arab/Muslim nations. Many people in Israel heeds Jesus' prophetic words and Flee to the Wilderness, probably Petra, where God protects them. The Anti-Christ (Rev. 12) or BEAST by this time chases her but can not get at her because God protects and feeds her. Then he goes after the REMNANT (of the Church) meaning Small part that's left or those that became Christians after the Rapture.

Rev. chapter 6 is where all of this happens/starts. The Beast that has risen out of the Sea (Rev. 13) is a Gentile Ruler, he conquers Israel/the Saints, and he will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! He has to kill off all who will not bow down and worship him, that includes Islam or any other religion. This is the Harlot being KILLED OFF (False Religion Rev. 17:16) but it actually  has to have happened in Revelation Chapter 6. The Anti-Christ/Beast conquers, kills, destroys, subdues etc. etc. etc. Millions maybe Billions die (1/4 on man-kind). All Four Horses are associated with him and his doings. The 5th Seal is the proof/testimony of his evil doings, they are the Martyrs under the Alter who Jesus tells to wait until their brothers are killed also. They must wait until the Beasts 42 months reign is up before they are raised from the dead, then they will rule with Jesus for 1000 years (Rev.20:4). 

Rev. chapter 7 shows the 144,000 Jewish preachers who testify to the world to repent. It also shows the Raptured Church in Heaven who came out of the tribulation, meaning the greatest period of tribulation, the 2000 year period, not the 7 year period where the troubles were GREATER.

Rev. 8 is the Seven Trumpets, I think this is the Holy Spirits Wrath whereas the Seals were the Lambs Wrath.  There is a reason for this, if you notice, the angel mixes the incense (Prayers of the Saints) with the Fire of the Alter of God and casts it back to Earth where the Judgments begin with the sounding of the Trumpets. Fire burning the trees and grasses, an Asteroid hits the Sea, an Angel poisons the waters and the Sun, Moon and Stars lights diminish (the Smoke would of course do that.) Then the Woes come in Rev. chapter 9.

Rev. 9 is the First of three Woes, the LAST WOE is all Seven Vials just like the Last Seal is all Seven Trumpets, but that's later.  The First Woe is the 8th King being released from the bottomless pit along with his hordes of Demons called Locusts. They are given power to torture and maim man-kind but not to kill them. This info leads me to believe the 2nd Woe, the 200 Million Horsemen Army is not of SATAN but is of GOD. There are a couple of reasons for this. 

1. Why would we have back to back Woes where one set of Demons can not Kill then another set can Kill? The 200 Million are not MEN, we know this, everyone confuses them with Vial #6  and says they come forth with the Kings of the East, but that's just not true, this is the 6th Trumpet or the 2nd Woe and has nothing to do with Vial #6. It is misconception that has spread, an untruth. 

2. The Breastplates of the Demons in the First Woe are as IRON (Matches Rome/Beast) the Breastplates in the 2nd Woe MATCH EXACTLY with the colors of the High-priests of Israels Breastplates as described in the Old Testament, go check them both out, its amazing. There are no Angels bound in the River Euphrates, I think this is why many think they are Demons. These Angels are BOUND to an APPOINTED TIME (The Greek says this when studied) at that place. These 200 Million Horsemen bring forth PLAGUES OF GOD....The scripture says this, but we overlook it (SEE BELOW). This is God, bringing Wrath upon man-kind. 

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

These are an ARMY OF GOD !! 

Rev. 10 is John eating the book, he was told not to reveal all the secrets of God. Revelation chapter 11 is where the Two-Witnesses die after the Second Woe. It is announced that the 2nd Woe is past and the 3rd Woe comes quickly, which is why I say the Difference in time-lines between the BEAST and Two-Witnesses can only be a short time, a month or two at most, maybe less. There is a Great Earthquake right before the Final Trumpet announces the Third Woe, just as there is a Great Earthquake at the 6th Seal and there is also a Great Earthquake at the Seventh Vial. Too many people, for some odd reason, think these are all the same event, they are not, its just God giving warning to man-kind before greater Wrath is headed their way.  An EARTHQUAKE happens then the 7th Seal ushers in the Seven Trumpets, EARTHQUAKE then the 7th Trumpet ushers in the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath......An EARTHQUAKE happens when Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives, then he destroys the BEAST his Armies and all the wicked of he Earth. So these Earthquakes are all different events. None of them are even described as being alike.

Rev. 12 of course is a Prophecy about Israel Fleeing unto the Wilderness. Rev. 12:1-5 even 6 is used to ENCODE the Prophecy because John nor the Church could be found by Rome/Romans with letters saying God was protecting Israel, that would have been treason/sedition since they had just destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple a few years before that. More than likely that would have been treason which the Romans saw as worthy of death. Rev. 12:1-5 just set up a situation where everyone knew who the Woman (Israel Genesis 37:9) Jesus (male-child) and the Dragon (Satan) were. That way the Prophecy could be told without mentioning ISRAEL. Satan is cast out of Heaven (Daniel 12:1-2) by Micheal, he tries to kill off Israel but she flees to Edom/Wilderness where God protects her for 1260 Days, they very same amount of time the BEAST Rules.

Rev. 13 is the Beast arising out of the Sea as the Last Head of the Seven Headed Beast or the Anti-Christ who turns into a BEAST when he Conquers Israel. He also has 10 horns just like in Daniel 7. Notice the 11th Horn of Daniel (Little Horn) is nowhere to be found, that's because he is the Seventh Head of the BEAST. He is the LAST BEAST. He is a MAN not a Country/Kingdom like the others. Just like Daniel 7:11 says, the BEAST was cast into the Burning Flame and Judgment was given. Rev. 19:20 AGREES the Beast and False Prophet are cast into Hell. Also Rev. 20:4 shows Judgment seats just like Daniel 7:10   Notice this Seven Headed Beast has the Lion, Bear and Leopard incorporated into it, giving us a clue that these are the same Beasts mentioned on Daniel chapter Seven. This is important when we get to Rev. ch. 17. (See Babylon/Harlot Thread)

He demands all people to Worship him or die. He blasphemes God just like in Dan. 7 and 8, he is given 42 Months to rule over the Saints which makes him a BEAST.  Then the Second Beast arises out of the Land, meaning he is JEWISH, he has two horns like a Lamb meaning he feigns being the Messiah, with Miracles and such, he demands that all people worship the Beast as God. In Matthew 24 we see they try to trick Israel out of their safe place/zone but Jesus warns them not to go unto the DESERT or unto the SECRET CHAMBERS, for when I return it will be in the Eastern Skies. I think he is a Jewish Rabbi who feigns to be the Messiah and says that the BEAST is God come in the flesh.

Revelation is not in chronological order. But the Seal/Trumpets and Vials are in perfect chronological order. Rev. 14 is the 144,000 and covers much of the Seven Year Tribulation. Rev. 15 is just illustrating the Seven Last Plagues are coming shortly. Rev. 16 is the final Chapter in all reality.

Rev. 16 Is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath or the THIRD WOE. No use taking much time on the Vials, we know what manner of Plagues they bring upon man-kind. The Sixth Vial however is important. The False Prophet, BEAST and Satan/Dragon send out lying Spirits (Demons) to gather the Nations against Israel (probably to try and defeat God and get at Israel in her protected Zone) at Armageddon. IMHO, the Kings of the East are the Arab Nations like Iran (Persia) Iraq, Syria etc. all that hate Israel, even though they were subjugated by this Anti-Christ/BEAST, they still HATE ISRAEL, and go forth with the European Union to Armageddon.  When that happens, the SEVENTH VIAL is poured out and Jesus Christ lands on the Mt. of Olives, he splits it into, then an Angel announces IT IS DONE !! And Jesus goes forth to destroy the BEAST his Kings and their Armies. God sees them as Babylon. Rev. 16:19 And the great city (Jerusalem/Earthquake) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell (BABYLON FALLS): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. THIS IS IT...........There is no Revelation 17 and 18 in essence, they are just ENHANCED versions of things that have already passed. 

 

You can read my THREAD in Eschatology, on the first page (maybe the second) about:  

Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained..........It will reveal why the BEAST is a Beast and why the LAST BEAST is just a Man. It covers Revelation chapters 17 and 18 in full. 

As per Revelation chapter 19 it is a FULL SEVEN YEAR PERIOD of the Church in Heaven Marrying the Lamb, we return on White Horses with Jesus who then lands on the Mt. of Olives and Destroys the Beast/Kings and his Evil minions at Armageddon.  Rev. 20 is Satan being cast into the bottomless pit for a 1000 years and the BEHEADED (Under the Alter) being Judged and found righteous, then ruling with Jesus Christ on Earth for a 1000 years. Israel is Gathered unto the Barn when Jesus Returns, thus THEY ALONE are the Wheat that Grew with the Tares until the end, and were Harvested at the same time as the Tares were Harvested (Killed/Bundled into the grave to wait for their Justice in 1000 years). 

 

I read all that lol.