Walter and Deborah Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,204 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 4,329 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13, 14. Edited April 4, 2017 by Walter and Deborah wrong Title 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2017 All of Isaiah 58 is important and fits perfectly together. Fasting that Pleases God 58 “Cry aloud, spare not;Lift up your voice like a trumpet;Tell My people their transgression,And the house of Jacob their sins.2 Yet they seek Me daily,And delight to know My ways,As a nation that did righteousness,And did not forsake the ordinance of their God.They ask of Me the ordinances of justice;They take delight in approaching God.3 ‘Why have we fasted,’ they say, ‘and You have not seen?Why have we afflicted our souls, and You take no notice?’ “In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,And exploit all your laborers.4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,And to strike with the fist of wickedness.You will not fast as you do this day,To make your voice heard on high.5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,A day for a man to afflict his soul?Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?Would you call this a fast,And an acceptable day to the Lord? 6 “Is this not the fast that I have chosen:To loose the bonds of wickedness,To undo the heavy burdens,To let the oppressed go free,And that you break every yoke?7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;When you see the naked, that you cover him,And not hide yourself from your own flesh?8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,Your healing shall spring forth speedily,And your righteousness shall go before you;The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’ “If you take away the yoke from your midst,The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,10 If you extend your soul to the hungryAnd satisfy the afflicted soul,Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,And your darkness shall be as the noonday.11 The Lord will guide you continually,And satisfy your soul in drought,And strengthen your bones;You shall be like a watered garden,And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail.12 Those from among youShall build the old waste places;You shall raise up the foundations of many generations;And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach,The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In. 13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,From doing your pleasure on My holy day,And call the Sabbath a delight,The holy day of the Lord honorable,And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,Nor finding your own pleasure,Nor speaking your own words,14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.The mouth of the Lord has spoken.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2017 Mar 2:23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” Mar 2:25 But He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: Mar 2:26 “how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?” Mar 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Mar 2:28 “Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said: You cannot keep the Sabbath without a Temple in Jerusalem and the sacrificial system in place. YHWH did the end of the first week. Multitudes of Jews and gentile believers , following JESUS , have since the first century. You can be legalistic if you want to be, but it won't stop those who are following JESUS - they will honor YHWH'S WORD and YHWH'S SABBATH as they always do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,829 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 5/04/2017 at 9:03 AM, simplejeff said: YHWH did the end of the first week. Multitudes of Jews and gentile believers , following JESUS , have since the first century. You can be legalistic if you want to be, but it won't stop those who are following JESUS - they will honor YHWH'S WORD and YHWH'S SABBATH as they always do. The Sabbath has been done away with by Christ. Rom. 14:5-6. Rom. 14:5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. V. 6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Gal. 4:9-10. Gal. 4:9, But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? V. 10, Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Coll. 2:14-17; Coll. 2:14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; V. 15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. V. 16, ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: V. 17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Paul wrote, But why dost thou judge they brother? or why dost thou set at nought they brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ . . . . So the every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more." If the law of Moses, including the fourth commandment, was in force in the new covenant the above statement would never have been written by Paul. Each Christian can do as he pleases concerning the Sabbath and is not to be judged by his brother "Any More." Christian experiences do not come by the law. "Receive ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?. . . .the law is not of faith: but. the man who doeth them [things of the law] shall live in them. . . . how turn ye AGAIN to the weak beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage?" (Gal. 1:6-9; 2:15-21; 3:1-12, 19-25; 4:1-3, 19-31; 5:1-9, 11-21). "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years [that the law required]. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed labour upon you in vain" (Gal. 3:1-12; 4:9-11). Going back to observe Sabbaths according to the law is spoken of here as going back into the bondage of the law. If one does this he is a debtor to do the whole law (Gal. 5:3). The law was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the new covenant, Heb. 12:1, 2],we were kept under the law, shut up unto that faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . .Wherefor the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be justified by faith. BUT AFTER that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25). Not being under the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when we graduate from school. The law is not in force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the obligation to keep the new covenant laws and commandments, which include new laws that were never part of the old covenant, as well as those that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant. The law, including the ten commandments, has been "CAST OUT"; "Tell me YE DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promise. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUNT SINAI, which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, is [Hagar]. . . .and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above IS FREE, which in the mother of us all. . . .Now we, brethren, as Isaac, are the children of promise. BUT AS EVEN SO IT IS NOW. Nevertheless what sayeth the Scripture? CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN [the first or old covenant FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]; for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then brethren, WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old ten commandment covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefor IN THE LIBERTY wherein Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN, WHITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a debtor TO DO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18). Acts 13: 42, And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. The rebellious Jews left the synagogue before the Gentiles proselytes (V.43), 43, Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the believing Jews requested they speak the next Sabbath. Then they all left following Paul to hear his exhortation (V. 42-43). And V. 44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. That's what truly happened here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,872 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,622 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said: 13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13, 14. But it doesn't give salvation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_Bob Posted April 5, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 327 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 172 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 5, 2017 13 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said: You cannot keep the Sabbath without a Temple in Jerusalem and the sacrificial system in place. Brilliant reply, although remember that Israel had the tabernacle before the temple. I will remember this excellent point, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 On 04/04/2017 at 4:44 PM, Walter and Deborah said: 13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13, 14. Remember that we are not under the Jewish dispensation and are no longer commanded to keep the Saturday Sabbath. Colossians 2:16 | Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limey_Bob Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 327 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 172 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2017 On 4/4/2017 at 8:44 PM, Walter and Deborah said: 13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14. Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 58:13, 14. But isn't the Sabbath principle .... rest, and after the death and resurrection of the messiah, we are to rest (trust i.e. exercise faith) in Christ (Matthew 11:28), he is the fulfillment of the Sabbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BacKaran Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) Jesus fulfilled all the laws and he is our Sabbath rest. When Jesus came , he brought a new covenant, unlike the old. He did away with the ot laws which is why we can Sabbath in him on any day. When we pray for the peace of Jerusalem, we are praying that they will see Jesus as they're Lord and Savior. It has nothing to do with the temple being built. Jesus is our peace, our Sabbath rest. He suddenly it all for those who have sinned and fallen short of his glory. Edited April 9, 2017 by BacKaran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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