gdemoss Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Spock said: "Please refrain from answering if you don't believe or are not roman catholic." Am I reading this right Gary? You only want Catholics to respond or people who believe in the Immaculate Conception. Yes, It is a simple request to have a single thread that allows me to openly dialog with roman catholic believers so that I may understand what is believed and how it fits into the whole of their understanding of the faith. My request was simply a request. Each person decides for themselves whether or not they will honor it. Maybe I should edit the OP to declare that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, gdemoss said: Yes, It is a simple request to have a single thread that allows me to openly dialog with roman catholic believers so that I may understand what is believed and how it fits into the whole of their understanding of the faith. My request was simply a request. Each person decides for themselves whether or not they will honor it. Maybe I should edit the OP to declare that. Fair enough. I suppose X-Catholics doesn't count. I think you would have a lot more people to pull from if you added them (me included). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 He merely wants informed people to talk with.. it's understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 I have to step in and inform people that this forum is a discussion forum for all to take part in. Nobody should request that any group not be allowed to participate. gdemoss, if you want only Catholics to reply, why not ask on a RCC site? Be sure to be a Berean if you decide to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 There are two threads covering this topic and I hardly think it a breech of Policy and Procedure for the OP to make this simple request for this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: Mary was not sinless. Christ was born without a sin nature because the sin nature is passed down through the male and since Christ was created by the Holy Spirit in Mary, He was without sin. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Teditis said: There are two threads covering this topic and I hardly think it a breech of Policy and Procedure for the OP to make this simple request for this thread. We should all show respect and acceptance when our Servants issue a ruling here. They know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 Question: "What is the Immaculate Conception?" Answer: Many people mistakenly believe that the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ conception was most assuredly immaculate—that is, without the stain of sin—but the Immaculate Conception does not refer to Jesus at all. The Immaculate Conception is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in regards to Mary, Jesus’ mother. The official statement of the doctrine reads, “The blessed Virgin Mary to have been, from the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Christ Jesus the Savior of Mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, December 1854). Essentially, the Immaculate Conception is the belief that Mary was protected from original sin, that Mary did not have a sin nature and was, in fact, sinless. Catholics celebrate the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary on December 8. Within Eastern Orthodoxy, December 9 is the date of the Feast of the Conception by St. Anne of the Most Holy Theotokos. (Anne is Mary’s mother, according to tradition.) The Eastern Church does not hold to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, although they do consider Mary “all-holy,” that is, she never committed a sin. The Immaculate Conception is not a virgin birth. Catholics believe Mary was conceived the normal way, but God made her immune from imputed or inherited sin. For as long as she’s been in existence, Mary has been free of sin. This allowed her to be the “second Eve” to give birth to the “second Adam” (see 1 Corinthians 15:45). Overshadowed by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), Mary was a pure and holy “ark,” fit to carry the Son of God. As the ark of the Lord in Moses’ day carried the elements of the Old Covenant within it, so Mary carried the Author of the New Covenant within her. The Roman Catholic Church bases its teaching of the Immaculate Conception on tradition along with a couple passages of Scripture. One is Genesis 3:15, the protoevangelium. There, God speaks to the serpent: “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers.” Catholics point to the fact that the conflict between the serpent and the woman is equal to the conflict between the serpent and the woman’s Offspring, and they explain this by saying the woman (Mary) must be as equally sinless as her Offspring (Christ). The other passage cited by Catholics in support of the Immaculate Conception is Luke 1:28, “The angel went to her and said, ‘Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.’” The Greek word translated “highly favored” can be rendered “favored with grace”; thus, according to Catholic dogma, Mary had a superabundance of grace, rendering her sinless, and that’s why God chose her to bear His Son. The Roman Catholic Church argues that the Immaculate Conception is necessary because, without it, Jesus would have received His flesh from one who was herself a slave to the devil, whose works Jesus came to destroy (1 John 3:8). Mary, as the mother of the Redeemer, needed for her flesh to be free from the power of sin, and God gave her that privilege. From her time in the womb, Mary was sanctified because of her special role in bringing the Son of God incarnate into the world. One problem with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that it is not taught in the Bible. Even Catholics admit that Scripture does not directly teach the Immaculate Conception. The Bible nowhere describes Mary as anything but an ordinary human female whom God chose to be the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. Mary was undoubtedly a godly woman (Luke 1:28). Mary was surely a wonderful wife and mother. Jesus definitely loved and cherished His mother (John 19:27). But the Bible gives us no reason to believe that Mary was sinless. In fact, the Bible gives us every reason to believe that Jesus Christ is the only Person who was not “infected” by sin and never committed a sin (see Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5). The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is neither biblical nor necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the biblical doctrine of the virgin birth. The Bible never hints that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. Mary is not an exception to the Bible’s statement that “all have sinned” (Romans 3:23). Mary needed a Savior just like the rest of us (Luke 1:47). https://www.gotquestions.org/immaculate-conception.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Noodle Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 573 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 hours ago, gdemoss said: Yes, It is a simple request to have a single thread that allows me to openly dialog with roman catholic believers so that I may understand what is believed and how it fits into the whole of their understanding of the faith. My request was simply a request. Each person decides for themselves whether or not they will honor it. Maybe I should edit the OP to declare that. I think the confusion arose with the identification of other than Roman Catholics in your OP. Had it read, Roman Catholics only, we could have understood the express request for a specific group of faithful. As it reads it sounds like you wish RCC or those that believe in IC. I took it that way because if it was exclusive to RCC I thought you'd post in the Catholic area so as to insure that. Just my two cents worth to help understanding at least for my part in answering this second thread on the topic of IC. Proceed. I'll not return as a matter of having clarity now. Thanks brother. Our Father's blessings abide you always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted April 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Spock said: Fair enough. I suppose X-Catholics doesn't count. I think you would have a lot more people to pull from if you added them (me included). As an ex-roman catholic you would be well qualified to help explain what you once believed to be true about the topic. 47 minutes ago, OneLight said: I have to step in and inform people that this forum is a discussion forum for all to take part in. Nobody should request that any group not be allowed to participate. gdemoss, if you want only Catholics to reply, why not ask on a RCC site? Be sure to be a Berean if you decide to go there. What is principally wrong with asking people to refrain from giving input on a subject they have no practical experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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