Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said: Believing and confessing is of faith, not works Jeff. It's no different than any other work that Christ works through a believer. They are still works indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Jeff2 said: It's no different than any other work that Christ works through a believer. They are still works indeed. Rom 10:9 is the only way to get saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Willa said: But I am concerned. The genuineness of their faith is being tested. YES! ... How do you like the dire warnings about losing eternal life, if you do NOT endure in your faith ... during the tribulation of the antichrist, and during the incredible pressure to take the mark of the beast? Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, ZacharyB said: How do you like the dire warnings about losing eternal life, if you do NOT endure in your faith ... during the tribulation of the antichrist, and during the incredible pressure to take the mark of the beast? lol believers in Christ are not fooled Zach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said: Rom 10:9 is the only way to get saved. Welcome to the Biblical World of works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Jeff2 said: Welcome to the Biblical World of works! How do you get saved then Jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Teditis said: The whole OP supposes that our Salvation is conditional on works and never addresses that it is God's Grace and Mercy that draw His elect onto Himself and keeps them by His Sovereign power. We Love God because He first Loved us, see? FYI, American churches are absolutely FULL of people who are involved in habitual (unrepentant) sinning! Even many of the pastors! ... Ever hear of porno? So, if you claim they are NOT born-again, maybe we're on the same page. Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 318 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 85 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Heb 13:8 said: How do you get saved then Jeff? What we do, whether in faith or not, are "works." I do not disagree with Roman 10:9, but the fact remains, if there is something we must do, it is "works." Works are not a dirty word. They are deemed necessary according to Scripture. The broad brush that people paint is that they fail to differentiate works done for merit, and works that are the fruit of faith; which no man is saved without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Jeff2 said: Writing to Christians, Jude says, "Keep yourselves in the love of God." Jude 21 I guess that we can rip Jude out of our Bibles now because he does not agree with our theory. A more obvious one is Jesus' warning ... STRIVE to enter though the narrow gate, etc. (Luke). This is in the context of gaining/losing eternal life ... proof available upon request. Don't think He meant ... STRIVE to be involved in more habitual sinning! But, I could be wrong. Edited April 12, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted April 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Jeff2 said: What we do, whether in faith or not, are "works." I do not disagree with Roman 10:9, but the fact remains, if there is something we must do, it is "works." Works are not a dirty word. They are deemed necessary according to Scripture. The broad brush that people paint is that they fail to differentiate works done for merit, and works that are the fruit of faith; which no man is saved without. works that are fruit of faith are still works. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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